My 8 week old puppy has worms!!!

[Bigpoodleperson]

Sentinel is actually a very safe product for collies. It is the intercepter base with an added flea egg/larve control. If you have a flea problem i would recc. to be on sentinel with a topical flea control like frontline. If you dont have a live flea problem or a tick problem then you really only need the sentinel. Sentinel has been on the market for over 10 years and is very safe.
Just a note if you use sentinel. Be sure to give it with a meal so it is absorbed properly.

 

[ihartgonzo]

It is a good question if you're trying to determine if the pup is a lethal white. Which, since both puppy's parents are merle, it most certainly is a lethal white.

I'm not a collie person, but I know a little bit about genetics. I'm not ignorant enough to assume that two merles look alike regarding exact coloration.

Ugh... I was thinking that, too. How very sad.

While you're at the Vet, ask about getting his sight and hearing checked out, too! He could very well be partially or bilaterally blind/deaf (although both of his ears are colored, which is a good sign).

 

[tdog7879]

Ugh... I was thinking that, too. How very sad.

While you're at the Vet, ask about getting his sight and hearing checked out, too! He could very well be partially or bilaterally blind/deaf (although both of his ears are colored, which is a good sign).

yes we did ask the vet about this and they said he was good.....they did mention this to us about the white coat and blue eyes.... could you explain this a little bit more (blind deaf thing)...
thanks

 

[sammgirl]

Well, I truthfully know very little, But, I think this link will help you.

The White Aussies Project, at Lethal Whites .Com

It's about merle-merle progeny. It's something about how the merle gene masks color, and for some reason double merle affects sight and hearing.

But, don't ask me how most all white dogs don't have this issue (like westies, samoyeds, maltese, white german shepherds, etc) 'cause I don't get that myself.

You may want to ask someone who is an aussie or collie person. I wish I could point you to someone, but I don't know anyone.

 

[Zoom]

It is a good question if you're trying to determine if the pup is a lethal white. Which, since both puppy's parents are merle, it most certainly is a lethal white.

I'm not a collie person, but I know a little bit about genetics. I'm not ignorant enough to assume that two merles look alike regarding exact coloration.

True, but that's not how the question came across.

And two merles do not automatically make a lethal white. It is the only way to produce a lethal white, but not every MxM is a lethal white.

EDIT: I somehow missed the pictures but found them. Deaf/blind can be very tricky in MxM dogs...now obviously if the pup was mostly white with small blue eyes with pink rims, chances are there would be some severe sight impairment. Ears that are colored, especially on the inside (though this is not always accurate) generally retain hearing, whether that's partial or total is unknown. I've seen some pups I could have sworn were deaf/blind based on the "lethal white" pattern, yet they retained both sight and hearing.

At this age, he might end up being sight impaired in his one eye, he might not. I've seen pups that were very light when young, end up dark with different enough markings as to make it difficult to tell the two pictures were the same dog if you didn't know how to look!

 

[sammgirl]

yeah, I read that page. I think like 25% are born lethal whites, and then the rest of the litter could be perfectly healthy.

sorry it didn't come out right. I do that alot.

 

[dobesgalore]

It is a good question if you're trying to determine if the pup is a lethal white. Which, since both puppy's parents are merle, it most certainly is a lethal white.

I'm not a collie person, but I know a little bit about genetics. I'm not ignorant enough to assume that two merles look alike regarding exact coloration.

Breeding a merle to a merle does not always produce the lethal white(which is not truly lethal), but it does increase the chances. Being that this pup in general sounds like it has come from a mill, it's chances are probably higher.

 

[sammgirl]

Didn't my earlier post just say that?

 

[dobesgalore]

Didn't my earlier post just say that?

Sorry, I either didn't read all the way down or I missed it.

 

[Jynx]

My male rescue aussie is out of a m x m breeding, he is a bicolor and his hearing/site is fine, he was a lucky one.

I believe the stats are like 1/3? I do know there were 6 in the litter, two bi's, two merles and two lethal whites (both deaf). The merle puppies I believe had hearing probs as well.

 

[Dizzy]

What a cutie!!!!

More puppy pictures please, I'm a sucker for a merle... even if my merle puppy did decide to turn into a dark splodge

Sounds like the breeder is someone to be avoided But you live and learn, and your pup has definately landed on his feet There is LOTS of info on puppy mills on this site if you wanted to read more about bad breeding practices and what to look out for in breeders.

 

[tdog7879]

True, but that's not how the question came across.

And two merles do not automatically make a lethal white. It is the only way to produce a lethal white, but not every MxM is a lethal white.

EDIT: I somehow missed the pictures but found them. Deaf/blind can be very tricky in MxM dogs...now obviously if the pup was mostly white with small blue eyes with pink rims, chances are there would be some severe sight impairment. Ears that are colored, especially on the inside (though this is not always accurate) generally retain hearing, whether that's partial or total is unknown. I've seen some pups I could have sworn were deaf/blind based on the "lethal white" pattern, yet they retained both sight and hearing.

At this age, he might end up being sight impaired in his one eye, he might not. I've seen pups that were very light when young, end up dark with different enough markings as to make it difficult to tell the two pictures were the same dog if you didn't know how to look!

Im still not really understanding the whole color issue that can cause eye and ear problems....The parents of the pup (if this matters) the male was similar to the puppy the female was all dark color. Also the puppy(Riley) has the one blue eye and one brown eye with just a touch of blue in it....as i was saying the vet check his eyes and ears and said they are fine but i will make sure they check his eyes and ears everytime... Im going to do more research with the color issue .......now you guys have me stressing out if my dog is going to go blind or deaf!!:yikes:......Thank for all the help from everyone!!!!:hail:

 

[Dizzy]

Im still not really understanding the whole color issue that can cause eye and ear problems....The parents of the pup (if this matters) the male was similar to the puppy the female was all dark color. Also the puppy(Riley) has the one blue eye and one brown eye with just a touch of blue in it....as i was saying the vet check his eyes and ears and said they are fine but i will make sure they check his eyes and ears everytime... Im going to do more research with the color issue .......now you guys have me stressing out if my dog is going to go blind or deaf!!:yikes:......Thank for all the help from everyone!!!!:hail:

If you breed two merle coated dogs together you can potentially end up with really BAD genetic problems which cause deafness and blindness and other nasty things.

A lot of breeders do it to get striking patterns on the dogs, or a lot of white on them, but it is generally BAD.

 

[tdog7879]

If you breed two merle coated dogs together you can potentially end up with really BAD genetic problems which cause deafness and blindness and other nasty things.

A lot of breeders do it to get striking patterns on the dogs, or a lot of white on them, but it is generally BAD.

got it i understand ....Thanks....so what do you think about his colors?

had to toss in my 80 saltwater tank! just for show

 

[sammgirl]

If only one of the parents was merle, then I think you should be fine.

 

[Zoom]

He could just be a mismarked/excessive white. In which case he'll be just fine.

Check out www.ashgi.com for more info on color and recessive genes.

 

[tdog7879]

update: riley went to the vet today and got his 2nd set of shots!!! Also the vet. check his eyes and ears again and said they looked good ...but if i was really concern i could go see a eye dr. and get his retnia check..but so far so good!!!!

 

[Izzy's Valkyrie]

As long as one of the parents was dark you should be fine though if the parent was dark with the same merle *spotting in the coat color* pattern within the dark colors there's still a possibility of double merle genetic problems. Honestly the first thing I thought when I saw pictures was double merle too but lets hope he's not! Cute as a button though, hope the parasites go away sooner rather than later and if you have any more food questions, there are a ton of opinions to be found in the Dog Food and Recipes section

(I'm a huge sucker for merles) The little guy actually looks a lot like Steve (the border collie) with a totally merle and white coat. Hope the breeder wasn't mixing BC's in!

 

[Zoom]

You can get pattern white, but the normal white markings deal with different genes and locii than the lethal white markings do. White on the body isn't desireable but it's usually just considered a mismark.

One does have to watch out for "phantom merles" though when breeding...there have been a few accidental MxM breedings because one parent looked like a bi or tri-color, but was genetically a merle.

 

[tdog7879]

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You can get pattern white, but the normal white markings deal with different genes and locii than the lethal white markings do. White on the body isn't desireable but it's usually just considered a mismark.

so to much white is bad?

One does have to watch out for "phantom merles" though when breeding...there have been a few accidental MxM breedings because one parent looked like a bi or tri-color, but was genetically a merle.

Im lost on the whole color thing ....in your best opinon what do you see when you look at the pictures Riley.. also if he does have some bad genes can the deaf or the blind issue come in to effect at anytime?

Thanks for your help!!!!