Mother-of-three watches in horror as her American Bulldog is stabbed 23 times

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  1. JacksonsMom

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    Wow.... sad all around. Obviously 23 times seem a bit major but I agree... if there was a dog attacking my dog out on the street .... I would pretty much do anything to protect my dog. He's the most important. And I would do whatever it took.

    Take one second to imagine your dog in the head of a MUCH larger animal, probably shrieking, being violentally attacked, you see blood, you are thinking your dog is going to die and he's dying a very painful death... you can't tell me you wouldn't go to extreme measures, and when you do think of something (getting a knife), you are going to sit there and be thinking about "oh I'm probably stabbing this dog too many times...". NO, you just want your dog to be okay. And it sounds like the guy acted quick enough because his dog IS still alive.

    Not to mention, it sounds like this dog had a history of acting like this and free roaming. He said it had gone after a kid before too.

    Sad all around.
     
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    I don't think a knife would be my first choice either but when you are freaking out like that you aren't thinking clearly.

    I find it to be kind of a double standard that people here understand getting frustrated and hitting their dogs but for a guy who's dog was being attacked by another dog who would not let go they are worried if he stabbed too much. Honestly I'd stab until it let go be it 20 or 30. I also don't think in the heat of the moment with your adrenaline going crazy 23 stabs is going to be out of the question especially if the dog still won't let go.
     
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    I am honestly shocked at the idea that someone would try to defend this man. But hey, to each their own.
     
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    And I'm shocked you would ok hitting your own dog because you are incapable of self control and would defend someone for purposely starving a puppy.

    But to each their own.
     
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    Oh god I just died of irony poisoning.
     
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    Very sad all round :( I don't believe 23 stabs were needed at all, seems like total overkill.
     
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    Oh wow. I was totally against this guy going into the article but switched sides after reading it. This dog had a history of going after other dogs and the owner continued to let him out unsupervised, unleashed, unmuzzled? Who knows if 23 times is excessive or not. The dog very well could have been still holding on at bite 22 if the stabs weren't properly placed.
     
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    I do feel sad for the dog...both that his life ended this way AND that he was saddled with an ignorant owner whose irresponsible actions led to this.

    I know I would protect my dog in whatever way possible if they were attacked. I'm not sure that I, personally, could stab another dog, though. Although I've not actually been in that position, so who knows.
     
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    That's funny stuff :rofl1:
     
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    Oh look, situations that have nothing to do with the OP and are unrelated that I knew would come up because you can't argue logic. Okay! ;)

    None of the situations are related.

    We are human, we get upset. If we spank our dog out of a flourish of anger, but realize it is wrong, then I see no issue as long as we strive to be better next time. I apologize not everyone can have self-control like you Yoko... I guess we should all try to be just like you!

    *I* do not believe she starved that puppy. Once again, unrelated. If I thought she had, then I would not have defended her.

    This man consciously stabbed a dog twenty three times. Twenty three times. He thought about it, and did it. He was aware of what he was doing and had time to think about it (unlike someone who may strike their dog on impulse). To me, that is unacceptable and sick.

    Again, logic.
     
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    It's hard to argue logic with someone incapable of seeing any version of any story than the one they have already cemented in their mind.
     
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    If be just like me you mean knowing when to take a step back and not physically strike out then by all means strive for that your dogs will thank you.

    And if you can't see the difference between defense and outright abuse then I don't think I am the one with the logic problem.
     
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    I'd say twenty three stabs is certainly not "defense". Maybe it was at first, but then it turned into a man not having any control over himself.
     
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    how can any of us know how many stabs are needed?

    Do people here have some vast experience with panicked people stabbing bulldogs in mid attack?

    How many stabs does it take to stop a large determined dog? What did these wounds look like? Was it 23 times to the heart? Was it 23 punctures, with only a couple actually causing fatality? Did the bulldog release after one stab and the guy just went apeshit on it?

    I do know that American bulldogs are bred for gameness, they are bred as catchdogs, they are bred to keep going even when they are badly hurt.

    Unless you have experience with stabbing things to death I'm not sure how you can be so sure that this wasn't necessary (or at least, appeared necessary to a sane but panicky person). And if it was necessary to save the little dog, and you still think the man should be jailed... THAT is really disturbing.
     
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    Very well said. In panic mode, most ordinary people are not thinking rationally at all, they're just in lizard brain mode. I think it's sad the dog was killed, but I don't think the guy belongs in jail, either.
     
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    If he was stabbing double handed, it was more like twelve.

    Also, you're making some gigantic assumptions about the logistics of what happened for someone who wasn't there, that is only getting their information from an article written by someone else who wasn't there. What if stab #23 is the stab where it finally released the other dog from its jaws?
     
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    To me, the number of times is irrelevant. If the dog was still attacking the whole time then the man was fighting in self defense (or rather, defense of his dog). If the dog backed off and was trying get away at some point and the guy chased after him and continued the attack, then the guy went overboard and that opens another series of hard questions.

    That said, whether the guy with the knives was right or wrong does not in any way diminish the fault of the attacking dog's owner who, as I understand it, was letting a known DA dog run about unsupervised and loose, endangering her dog and every other dog in the vicinity. People like that are a waste of perfectly good gravity.
     
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    Yeah. I really can't comprehend how someone can say they had so much love for their dog, but then repeatedly put them in so much danger. I understand that crap happens and even the most vigilant owners can have a broken collar or door darting incident, but that's not what happened here.

    The picture of her with her dog is heartbreaking, but what's even more heartbreaking is the fact that her dog would be alive if she loved him enough to put him on a leash. She'd be making that face if he'd been run over by a car too. Or if the stabby guy hadn't been able to save his dog, we'd see a picture of him making that face over a little dead terrier that was killed by her dog and her dog would be taken and probably destroyed anyway.

    Either way, it boils down to the fact that none of this would have happened if people took basic responsibility for their animals.
     
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    I hate to say this about an animal because i do love animals, but being out in the country & having lots of coyotes & stray/feral dogs out here, if this happened to me i wouldnt be grabbing a knife on my way out the door... i would be grabbing my rifle & some extra shells.

    that being said, i would try some nonlethal means of distraction first before i go popping off rounds at a living creature, being as i only have one small ddog & three larger dogs, but if the dog was large dog & had ahold of my small dog you'd bet i would fore first & ask questions later.
     
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    If that dog was in attack mod then wouldn't it stand to reason that the adrenalin(sp?) coarsing through it's system would cause it to not feel pain in any normal type of manner? Hence why it would take a lot to stop it. That is not a small dog. Plus how do we know(since no details are given) that many of the hits went to the hilt. 23 could just be the number of cuts and some could be very superficial which would then be non-effective. This man was defending his dog who was being mauled. There is not enough details in the article to determine how many full stabs there was. He might have only got in a couple of successful ones that would cause the dog to slow down and stop. If the others were superficial the dog would react just like it would in a fight with another dog and just increase in furocity(sp?). That is my take on it. As far as I am concerned the woman is 100% at fault
     

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