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tessa_s212

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As are you. ;) Please don't go around imagining that you are a better mom or somehow make better choices just because you may be older than I am. YOU are a FIRST time mom as well. Please remember that before stating that I am somehow more inexperienced than you. (Not meant to sound snarky. Not upset at you, I really do like you, I just hope you can realize how hypocritical that statement is)
 

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As are you. ;) Please don't go around imagining that you are a better mom or somehow make better choices just because you may be older than I am. YOU are a FIRST time mom as well. Please remember that before stating that I am somehow more inexperienced than you. (Not meant to sound snarky. Not upset at you, I really do like you, I just hope you can realize how hypocritical that statement is)
M&M is also a good 15 years older meaning she has a lot more life experience. She supports herself, owns a home, is very educated, and has a close family to help her out.

So please don't compare yourself to her... you are a teenager on government assistance, uneducated, and can't even support yourself.
 

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Autism is NOT the only thing to worry about. It wasn't the reason I decided not to vax.
So you'd rather he get exposed to it as an adult? Seriously, things like chicken pox as an adult are no laughing matter.
I caught it at 20 years old. I was out of work for 3 weeks, fired for not being there, and spent a good portion of that in the hospital with a raging fever, throwing up, and itchy lesions all over me, in my hair, mouth, throat, etc.
My doctor must have been wrong though, nah it's not worse to catch as an adult, not at all. That's what I don't buy about it. I went in as an adult and had all my childhood vaccinations because of that.

That's something you should think about, not so much the childhood diseases, but how many of them are so much worse if you catch it as an adult, some of them can kill you.
 

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I usually stay out of these threads but I feel obliged to mention that you brought up the vaccination issue Tessa. Clearly a lot of people do not agree with you and clearly it's your own decision whether or not to vaccinate. So I fail to see why you brought it up when you had to know the whole thread was going to devolve into "attacks" on you. That's just asking for trouble.

I'm not sure who was asking what the risk is of Tessa not vaccinating but I think this article explains it pretty well.

Public Health Risk Seen as Parents Reject Vaccines

The way I understand it, most vaccines are not 100% effective so if an unvaccinated kid catches say, measles, the odds are good that not only are the other unvaccinated kids going to get it but some of the vaccinated ones as well. It also puts infants and people who can't receive vaccines at risk.
 

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M&M is also a good 15 years older than you and has more life experience. She supports herself, owns a home, is very educated, and has a close family to help her out.

So please don't compare yourself to her... you are a teenager on government assistance, uneducated, and can't even support yourself.
:hail::hail::hail:
 

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As are you. ;) Please don't go around imagining that you are a better mom or somehow make better choices just because you may be older than I am. YOU are a FIRST time mom as well. Please remember that before stating that I am somehow more inexperienced than you. (Not meant to sound snarky. Not upset at you, I really do like you, I just hope you can realize how hypocritical that statement is)
Not hypocritical at all. She is older, has planned for this for a LONG time, and has a group of peers who are parents that she has watched do this and has come to conclusions based on what she has seen.

As I understand it, she also has a scientific background and can critically read studies to determine how much weight to give their conclusions.

You care about your baby, and are doing all the research, but you certainly are young and inexperienced. There is nothing wrong with that.
 

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IF you can sit there and say you are protecting yoru baby from disease (implying that I am not), then why is it rude for me to say that I'm protecting my baby from vaccines? pot meet kettle.
I wanted to do selective vax and an alternate schedule, but will only be doing a little bit of that. However I do know more now with having one that I will be more insistent and remind the dr with baby #2 that the reason I did not get hep b at the hospital was because I did not want it at all.

I don't judge you or have a problem with you not vaccinating.

I don't go around saying I am "protecting" my baby because I vaccinate. I simply do not want to deal with Rotavirus or Whooping cough in an infant. I am not saying that you aren't "protecting" your baby because you chose not to.

We do not get flu vax.

I am not a one way or the other kind of mom. I believe that we all have choices and should respect others choices. We should be able to talk about our choices without putting others down for theirs.

And I will forever be rubbed the wrong way when you said that having a c-section means you shouldn't have kids. I am sorry but that is NOT nice and NOT respectful at all. If you want people to see you as nice and non-confrontational, you REALLY need to watch the way you word things.
 

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Tessa, I would love to hear what solid, valid, medical reasoning you have behind your intense desire to not vax or have your child seen by a doctor.

M&M might be a first time mother, but she also has an extended support system, more life experience and has been planning for her child for years, not to mention has a stable job with good income and her own home.

I think it's wonderful that you love your baby so much that you want to do the best you can with him, don't get me wrong. I think it's great that you aren't just going along with every joe schmo off the streets says to do. I do question where you have been getting your information and the way you are couching your views.
 

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But she won't change her mind based on what we say. I was a young, opinionated parent with very little peer guidance once. I did my best, and my kids survived and thrived. I think we hope that God especially looks out for young parents.

When you are young and have thus awesome responsibility, it is natural to read all kinds of stuff and believe that you are among the smarter and better informed. So we develop these parenting fashions like not vaccinating and others. It makes people feel like they are in control and smarter than everyone else. Fortunately there IS herd immunity, and kids are sturdy and it usually all ends well.
Oh no, I'm NOT trying to change Tessa's mind :) & believe me, I've never read more than I did while I am trying to conceive and finally pregnant! ALL of us gain our knowleges through books and papers and others' experiences and all of us are inexperienced at least once at every subjects :) - so of course, I do not fault Tessa for doing/being just that!

All I say is that it's one thing to believe something is right, and another to believe that what we think is right IS the absolute best and only right thing and totally ignore/disregard everything else & refuse to broaden our knowleges based on new information. (I hope I made senses :eek:)
 

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But she won't change her mind based on what we say. I was a young, opinionated parent with very little peer guidance once. I did my best, and my kids survived and thrived. I think we hope that God especially looks out for young parents.

When you are young and have thus awesome responsibility, it is natural to read all kinds of stuff and believe that you are among the smarter and better informed. So we develop these parenting fashions like not vaccinating and others. It makes people feel like they are in control and smarter than everyone else. Fortunately there IS herd immunity, and kids are sturdy and it usually all ends well.

Not all of them shakes head. My Mom says it's amazing they survive at all.
IF your choosing not to vaccinate I would think autism would be at the top of your list. Well baby checks are to make sure weight gain is right, baby is all good. TO catch something early is a chance to beat it. IT gives the doctor a chance to know what is normal for your child and what is not. IT makes total sense and I don't see the reason to not go.

I have a friend right now that is swearing that I just don't understand because I haven't watched the gentle leader video. THis woman who's dog is completely out of control. It doesnt' matter that I have had a lifetime of experience as a trainer and have proven it in field trials, after all I didn't watch the video...i just don't understand. THis is her first dog by the way.
THis reminds me a whole lot of ^^^^^
 

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The way I understand it, most vaccines are not 100% effective so if an unvaccinated kid catches say, measles, the odds are good that not only are the other unvaccinated kids going to get it but some of the vaccinated ones as well. It also puts infants and people who can't receive vaccines at risk.
This is very true.

My nieces just had chicken pox...and yes they had the vaccine.
 

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I think they can still get chicken pox with enough exposure but the idea is that they won't get it near as bad. My son's case was worse because his sister had it and he had prolonged exposure.
 

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As are you. ;) Please don't go around imagining that you are a better mom or somehow make better choices just because you may be older than I am. YOU are a FIRST time mom as well. Please remember that before stating that I am somehow more inexperienced than you. (Not meant to sound snarky. Not upset at you, I really do like you, I just hope you can realize how hypocritical that statement is)
THe fact is she is older, she is responsible (not on the dole), her baby was planned. THat kind of puts her at the better mom catagory right there. DId you even read what one member said about growing up not being vaccinated? Your so married to this idea you have blinders on to everything anyone has said to try and help you AND Mason.


oooops sorry double post.
 

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My candle today burns for Mason and Tessa ......I personally have faith in Doctors who have had much more eduacation than I . And yes , I believe wellness clinics ~ but would be scared to death to take my kids out into public .
 

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as an adult who is NOT immune to chicken pox, german measles, and a couple of others, i hope tessa understands the RISKS shes potentially putting mason in as an adult.

at 25 if i were to get chicken pox now it could kill me, german measels can make you sterile (not something im worried about as i already am) but can also give you a very nasty case of measles...ect.
theses illnesses may be "simple childhood illnesses" but should an unvacinated or none immune person be exposed to these illnesses, many ARE life threatening...
theres illnesses that have been almost irradicated thanks to vacinations...enough parents decide not to vacinate these illnesses can make a huge, FAST and potentially DEADLY come back.

something to realy think about.

i dont agree with vacinating every 6 months and again for preschool and again 2 yrs later for this and that and then again for highschool ect...
i think titers should be available for humans just like for dogs...
i dont do the flu vacine ect...but still...

i can NEVER work with children...if i had a child of my own i couldnt send them to daycare/pre-school ect because of the risks of bringing something like measles or chickenpox home to me because i dont have innunity (i was vacinated but my body doesnt develop immunity...)

its not just as simple as "i dont want to vacinate my baby" you need to SERIOUSLY conisder the risks should you not vaccinate and your child get a Full Blown case.

take the chicken pox vaccine for example...most poeple who have the vaccine will still at somepont get a case of the "pox"...the key however is those vaccinated will have some blisters and be itchy for 2 weeks then back to life...
those not vaccinated run the risk of a much stronger reaction...
and for those not vaccinated as kids who are lucky enough to not be exposed to it WILL eventually be exposed as an adult and belive me, getting it as an adult is NOT a good thing...


beyond that...
honestly tessa, on here you are VERY abrassive...
you say your willing to meet a dr part way yet in your responses you dont seem willing to at all.
i understand wanting the best for your baby...but i think theres too much focus on right not enough on "what could my actions NOW do to my child in the FUTURE"
 
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Planning a baby vs a surprise pregnancy does not make one a better mom. Heck, planning a pregnancy does not even mean you will be a good mom. That'd be like saying all single moms are bad moms, since they don't have a daddy for their baby. People would fly off the handle if someone ever said that.

Is Breeze a bad mom? Both her pregnancies were unplanned.

Whether or not a baby is planned or not has very little (if nothing) to do with whether or not one will be a good mom, or a better or worse mom than anyone else.
 

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Planning a baby vs a surprise pregnancy does not make one a better mom. Heck, planning a pregnancy does not even mean you will be a good mom. That'd be like saying all single moms are bad moms, since they don't have a daddy for their baby. People would fly off the handle if someone ever said that.

Is Breeze a bad mom? Both her pregnancies were unplanned.

Whether or not a baby is planned or not has very little (if nothing) to do with whether or not one will be a good mom, or a better or worse mom than anyone else.
But age, planning and education have a lot to do with how well informed a mom is likely to be. Well informed does not actually equal good.
 

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Planning a baby vs a surprise pregnancy does not make one a better mom. Heck, planning a pregnancy does not even mean you will be a good mom. That'd be like saying all single moms are bad moms, since they don't have a daddy for their baby. People would fly off the handle if someone ever said that.

Is Breeze a bad mom? Both her pregnancies were unplanned.

Whether or not a baby is planned or not has very little (if nothing) to do with whether or not one will be a good mom, or a better or worse mom than anyone else.
There's a big difference in an unplanned pregnancy in a TEENAGER, and an adult that has made the conscious effort to have a baby, and has the means to support it.

But you just read what you want to. You are very immature to think that or drag Breeze into it. You can't afford to take care of your baby on your own, that screams mature right there.
 

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Actually this one wasnt ;). We have been planning to have a baby since the year before. off by a few months yes but completely NO and for reasons that were major no. We put it off because of the court stuff. Dont try to use me.

Bev wasnt but i KNEW the risks of having sex and didnt live on Gvt assistance either. My pregnancy with her along with her first 6 mths were paid BY ME!!!!!
 

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Planning a baby vs a surprise pregnancy does not make one a better mom. Heck, planning a pregnancy does not even mean you will be a good mom. That'd be like saying all single moms are bad moms, since they don't have a daddy for their baby. People would fly off the handle if someone ever said that.

Is Breeze a bad mom? Both her pregnancies were unplanned.

Whether or not a baby is planned or not has very little (if nothing) to do with whether or not one will be a good mom, or a better or worse mom than anyone else.
No... but being older, having experienced independance and a lifetime of education and working in a career and having a HUGE support system of family and friends that she trusts and loves does give her an advantage.

She has LIFE experience beyond just her teenage years. No that doesn't mean one will be a good mother or a bad mother... but it does give them a leg up.

and life experience is priceless
 
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