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Let me quote my own words. I'm not looking for someone who will 100% agree with me. Just need someone that will agree to see us that won't treat me disrespectfully for having done my research and making a choice that they disagree with. I can and do listen to what others have to say. I will politely listen attentively if the doc would like to try to persuade me, however we've done enough research that we are fairly confident in our decision in what is best for our child. You won't see me back talking, interrupting or even arguing with any doctor. I won't be trying to change any doctor's mind. If they ask, I can explain the reasoning for our choice, but I don't intend to defend our choice, and if I feel I'm being belittled and forced to, that is when it will be time to move on. Politely disagree, thank them for their time, and begin searching again. I can treat them with respect although I do not agree with them, I only ask for the same in return. I hope we can find a ped with such character, but if not, I know many people are very happy with family doctors, and maybe we could find a family doctor we really love as well. 
I went to a pediatrician. loved him and was sad to leave to go to my "big girl" doctor lol
I still go to him sometimes tho! lol I cheat!
My mom also wasn't into the whole vacinations thing. but she was MORE INTO the whole me going to a good school thing, so I got the ones necessary for that. *shrug* I survived and went to a great school.
I personally would not want my kid in a school that didnt require vaccines. just not very safe IMO
I still go to him sometimes tho! lol I cheat!
My mom also wasn't into the whole vacinations thing. but she was MORE INTO the whole me going to a good school thing, so I got the ones necessary for that. *shrug* I survived and went to a great school.
I personally would not want my kid in a school that didnt require vaccines. just not very safe IMO
We have found an amazing family doc. He can see adults but specializes in children. He was actually the chief resident of pediatrics at Arkansas Children's for a few years which is an outstanding hospital!
Tessa, it's not going to be easy to find a doc that is okay w/ no vax. It's possible but not easy. There is a reason docs recommend vaxing. You can do your own research, that is even advisable, but it isnt going to stack up to their years of schooling and education and they may be a bit defensive but they probably see so many silly parents who do stupid things thinking they are doing whats best for their children. I would get a little jaded, too.
When it comes to things that vary from one doc to another its a good idea to inform yourself (always a good idea to do that) and take the decision into your own hands but when it comes to something that is advised by most of the medical community ....well, there's probably something to it.
Tessa, it's not going to be easy to find a doc that is okay w/ no vax. It's possible but not easy. There is a reason docs recommend vaxing. You can do your own research, that is even advisable, but it isnt going to stack up to their years of schooling and education and they may be a bit defensive but they probably see so many silly parents who do stupid things thinking they are doing whats best for their children. I would get a little jaded, too.
When it comes to things that vary from one doc to another its a good idea to inform yourself (always a good idea to do that) and take the decision into your own hands but when it comes to something that is advised by most of the medical community ....well, there's probably something to it.
Have you tried finding an alternative ped. altogether? There are a few out there, that will agree and support the no vaccination as well as alternative medicins.
I had a really good pediatrition who supported that we did limited vaccination (for US-standards. I was missing alot of vacs going from Germany, because here they do less vacs altogether). I got the ones needed for school and that was that. He was really nice and I loved him, but he passed away due to cancer (the freaked me a bit as a kid). I got a new ped, who I really didn't like. She was in the same office as my old ped. but I just really didnt like her. In the end when I was 12, I got checked for scoliosis - which I have - and she completly FREAKED. She imidiatly started recommending back surgery (my back isn't THAT bad.) Anyways so my mom searched for a different pediatrition and found an alternative one, who recommended physical therapy.
I had a really good pediatrition who supported that we did limited vaccination (for US-standards. I was missing alot of vacs going from Germany, because here they do less vacs altogether). I got the ones needed for school and that was that. He was really nice and I loved him, but he passed away due to cancer (the freaked me a bit as a kid). I got a new ped, who I really didn't like.
She was in the same office as my old ped. but I just really didnt like her. In the end when I was 12, I got checked for scoliosis - which I have - and she completly FREAKED. She imidiatly started recommending back surgery (my back isn't THAT bad.) Anyways so my mom searched for a different pediatrition and found an alternative one, who recommended physical therapy.
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ALL public schools must accept vaccine exemptions, and here in Ohio we have medical, philosophical and religious exemption from vaccination. He will not miss out on education due to me protecting him from vaccines. I have a friend who's never been vaccinated, went to school with me all those years, and is now in college (and she's even been to Japan and Ireland) with having never gotten a single vaccine. She hasn't missed out on anything.
I was expecting a bit of a fight with WIC when they asked for shot records. But surprisingly, all I had to say was that we do not vaccinate for personal and religious reasons, and they left it at that. I do not think I'll get so lucky with a ped - family doctor maybe though. I am willing to sacrifice a little of my sanity to go to a ped. Ped can talk my ear off all he/she wants, just as long as I can find someone will not treat me abrasively.
Going to make more calls to see if I can find one that will first accept us as a patient, and then I guess we can pick one to start "testing the waters" with.
I was expecting a bit of a fight with WIC when they asked for shot records. But surprisingly, all I had to say was that we do not vaccinate for personal and religious reasons, and they left it at that. I do not think I'll get so lucky with a ped - family doctor maybe though. I am willing to sacrifice a little of my sanity to go to a ped. Ped can talk my ear off all he/she wants, just as long as I can find someone will not treat me abrasively.
Going to make more calls to see if I can find one that will first accept us as a patient, and then I guess we can pick one to start "testing the waters" with.
THe fact of the matter is when your on medicaid you get what you get. FOr babies it CAN be good. WE have Children's Mercy here which is a phenomenal hospital and AAron's ped, i coudln't have dreamed for a more caring and knowledgable man. I quit 3 before I found my way there. I am lucky because I lived close enough to make it possible. About a half hour's drive. I woudl have gone 2 or more. AS it is, I have quit several medicaid clinics because of their incompetence. I have had lyme all this time, and lost 2 inches to osteosporisis because of their care.
I will not debate vaccinate or not. I only know that when you are at the bottom, you give up options right and left. I am glad you are trying so hard to do what you think is right but I got a feeling this is just the beginning of a long time for you of people that treat you abrasively because you see their disagreeing with you as personally abrasive. THere is no respect for their point of view.
Mason looks healthy and happy and so do you probably the first time since I have seen your pics can i say I see true joy in your face.
I want you to listen to one thing. I took care of a man that was left mentallly challanged from his case of chicken poxs. My son was so ill with chicken pox that the dr who donates his vacation time to clinics in third world countries said he had never seen anything like it. THe sore were so solid that secondary infections were there causing the sores to open up to 4 inches in one place. He was the most miserable 3 year old and I was so scared. I couldn't wait to get Hyia her vacine. SHingles are no joy either, and chicken pox as an adult can be serious. SO why you have made your mind up this way i don't know. THere are risks both ways, I don't blame doctors who have seen what AAron's did for being horrified with your decision. If they are abrasive, i don't blame them a bit. YOur so young and you have 0 experience here and 2020 hindsight is a beetch. YOU just don't want to be that kind of sorry.
I will not debate vaccinate or not. I only know that when you are at the bottom, you give up options right and left. I am glad you are trying so hard to do what you think is right but I got a feeling this is just the beginning of a long time for you of people that treat you abrasively because you see their disagreeing with you as personally abrasive. THere is no respect for their point of view.
Mason looks healthy and happy and so do you probably the first time since I have seen your pics can i say I see true joy in your face.
I want you to listen to one thing. I took care of a man that was left mentallly challanged from his case of chicken poxs. My son was so ill with chicken pox that the dr who donates his vacation time to clinics in third world countries said he had never seen anything like it. THe sore were so solid that secondary infections were there causing the sores to open up to 4 inches in one place. He was the most miserable 3 year old and I was so scared. I couldn't wait to get Hyia her vacine. SHingles are no joy either, and chicken pox as an adult can be serious. SO why you have made your mind up this way i don't know. THere are risks both ways, I don't blame doctors who have seen what AAron's did for being horrified with your decision. If they are abrasive, i don't blame them a bit. YOur so young and you have 0 experience here and 2020 hindsight is a beetch. YOU just don't want to be that kind of sorry.
Devin goes to a pediatrician that my OB recommended that was in the group I wanted. Have you checked Dr. Sears site yet to see if there are any in your area?
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My OB never recommended any ped to me, and if he had.. well, I really disliked him, so not sure I would have gone to someone he recommended anyway! Lol. I've still got to find a new GYN too, since I need a check up in April for my Mirena?
Yup, I've already searched Dr. Sears site, as well as many natural family forums that have forums based on location. I was recommended to the family doc, but didn't feel comfortable with him, and that is why we are looking again. Like I said, I don't need a doctor that is supportive or agrees, just someone that knows how to treat others respectfully. :thumbup: I've already been recommended to a doc that I've been told will be supportive of our choice, but I'd really prefer a ped, so I'll put up with a little more to see a ped. But if all else fails, we can go to the family doctor we were recommended to. And no matter what insurance we were on, we'd still have this problem of finding a doc that will see us. It really has nothing to do with Medicaid.
Mason's first ped seemed nice, although she had objections to some of our parenting choices. So I'm thinking about giving her a second try, since she never actually kicked us out or say anything bad. She didn't seem like the type to attack us, and I had called and asked her nurse of they'd accept us. She said yes, we'll just have to sign a form. I know she won't agree, but I think she might actually still treat us with respect. IF so, smooth sailing!
As far as exemptions go- There was a case with the US Supreme Court that ruled that a religious belief is subject to protection even if no religious group as a whole that holds that belief.
Yup, I've already searched Dr. Sears site, as well as many natural family forums that have forums based on location. I was recommended to the family doc, but didn't feel comfortable with him, and that is why we are looking again. Like I said, I don't need a doctor that is supportive or agrees, just someone that knows how to treat others respectfully. :thumbup: I've already been recommended to a doc that I've been told will be supportive of our choice, but I'd really prefer a ped, so I'll put up with a little more to see a ped. But if all else fails, we can go to the family doctor we were recommended to. And no matter what insurance we were on, we'd still have this problem of finding a doc that will see us. It really has nothing to do with Medicaid.
Mason's first ped seemed nice, although she had objections to some of our parenting choices. So I'm thinking about giving her a second try, since she never actually kicked us out or say anything bad. She didn't seem like the type to attack us, and I had called and asked her nurse of they'd accept us. She said yes, we'll just have to sign a form. I know she won't agree, but I think she might actually still treat us with respect. IF so, smooth sailing!
As far as exemptions go- There was a case with the US Supreme Court that ruled that a religious belief is subject to protection even if no religious group as a whole that holds that belief.
Thats just wonderful. So people dont have to prove that htey have a real reason for doing something that can harm other children.
and I also love that you can be picky while the rest of us pay for your sons medical care so you can stay home. Bravo really Bravo. Thanks for making me pay for the child you created and dont feel like supporting.
and I also love that you can be picky while the rest of us pay for your sons medical care so you can stay home. Bravo really Bravo. Thanks for making me pay for the child you created and dont feel like supporting.
My goodness is there ANYONE you like? it really DOES sound like unless they believe what you believe then you don't want to go to them. that's fine... but good luck. You keep SAYING you are willing to go to a doc that disagrees but will just respect your decision but everything you have said afterwards says otherwise. Everytime you have talked about a doctor whether it be your gyn or a doctor for mason you go off about how they don't 100% support what you want. First it was your Gyn not being enough into 100% natural labor and telling you that just PERHAPS induction might need to be done but you didn't like that he even said it.
but in the end you have control over your own body and your childs body... you don't NEED a doctor that believes everything you believe you just need one that will do it even if it goes against what they believe. I can definitely see themmaking you sign a wavier so they aren't responsible should something happen.
You keep SAYING you don't need a doc to be 100% agreeable but as soon as you get one that isn't you run away instead of just standing your ground.
And if you are as abrasive to them in person as you are about them on here... well no WONDER none of them take you seriously.
but in the end you have control over your own body and your childs body... you don't NEED a doctor that believes everything you believe you just need one that will do it even if it goes against what they believe. I can definitely see themmaking you sign a wavier so they aren't responsible should something happen.
You keep SAYING you don't need a doc to be 100% agreeable but as soon as you get one that isn't you run away instead of just standing your ground.
And if you are as abrasive to them in person as you are about them on here... well no WONDER none of them take you seriously.
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I am not using my religion as a loophole. That was not me saying "I'm faking religion." Most certainly not. I do have believe in God. Someone asked me what my religion was that was against vaccines. My religion as a whole - Christianity - does not have any statement against vaccines, however in every religion there are conflicting beliefs (bible can be interpreted in many different ways). After educating myself on vaccines, we had a very sincere conviction that we feel it goes against our belief system. Both for ingredients reasons, as well as that we believe God does not make mistakes. He made our child with a functioning immune system, and that by giving vaccines we will suppress and damage his immune system, which goes directly against how Paul told us to treat our body's as a temple. Then add onto how dangerous they can be, and that sealed the deal. So truly, we have BOTH religious and philosophical reasons to refuse vaccines.
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I've made it very clear SEVERAL times already that I WILL go to someone that may not agree with our choice. In fact, I've already said that I am going back to Mason's first ped, who did not agree with out choice! Where you get that I refuse to see someone that doesn't agree with me.. well, you must be really, really selectively reading - picking and choosing only what you WANT to hear.
I don't think I've ever been abrasive to any doctor in my life. Mason's first ped, who we will be going back to, did not agree with non-vax. When she lectured us on how WE should have gotten the swine flu vax and not allow Mason around anyone without it, we respectfully disagreed. Told her we appreciated her concern, however we disagree. How anyone can consider that abrasive? I don't know. I'm as non-confrontational as they get. If I have a problem, it must be very very important to me to actually stand up and say anything,and when I do, I say only enough to get it across and never meanly. I'm just not assertive, far from abrasive, and always show respect, even if I don't agree. It is trained into me, after all the years I was training under very, very assertive and abrasive dog trainers. We were taught to never back talk elders or superiors, yes sir, yes ma'am, and don't ever disrespect. That is why it is so hard for me to be assertive and stand up for myself. It will even be hard to do it for Mason, but I have to. I know I'll choke on my words, stutter, and turn red in the face. I'm not good at confrontation. But, I'll do what I can to protect my son.
yes, we are going to have to sign a waiver. I am not sure she'll accept a typed out exemption in our own words. We will still provide her with ours. And we'll have to cross out a few lines and make changes to the AAP refuse of vaccine form. Hopefully that won't cause problems. IF it does, we will probably have to move on and either try to find another ped or go to the family doctor that we were referred to.
I don't think I've ever been abrasive to any doctor in my life. Mason's first ped, who we will be going back to, did not agree with non-vax. When she lectured us on how WE should have gotten the swine flu vax and not allow Mason around anyone without it, we respectfully disagreed. Told her we appreciated her concern, however we disagree. How anyone can consider that abrasive? I don't know. I'm as non-confrontational as they get. If I have a problem, it must be very very important to me to actually stand up and say anything,and when I do, I say only enough to get it across and never meanly. I'm just not assertive, far from abrasive, and always show respect, even if I don't agree. It is trained into me, after all the years I was training under very, very assertive and abrasive dog trainers. We were taught to never back talk elders or superiors, yes sir, yes ma'am, and don't ever disrespect. That is why it is so hard for me to be assertive and stand up for myself. It will even be hard to do it for Mason, but I have to. I know I'll choke on my words, stutter, and turn red in the face. I'm not good at confrontation. But, I'll do what I can to protect my son.
yes, we are going to have to sign a waiver. I am not sure she'll accept a typed out exemption in our own words. We will still provide her with ours. And we'll have to cross out a few lines and make changes to the AAP refuse of vaccine form. Hopefully that won't cause problems. IF it does, we will probably have to move on and either try to find another ped or go to the family doctor that we were referred to.
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