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[JoeLacy]

I had not considered health issues, thanks for pointing that out. She seems very healthy by her actions, energy, coat and eyes. I'll keep an eye on this and call my vet as well.

Something else I saw early on was her hiding the toys I gave her. She would also hide her bones as if someone was going to take those away from her. She does not do this now but did this first few weeks. I could be that she was raised with another dog that took toys, water and bones away. She's not water/food aggressive with me at all so I'm thinking it was another dog that did this to her.

Many people comment on how soft her coat feels. It's like rabbit fur but long. It's very very shiny and very black. When she just gets back from being bathed she really is a beautiful dog, then goes out to find some mud puddles to roll in and she looks like Peyton again.

I've never had a dog that I have had so many compliments regarding looks.
I had someone say the other day that we looked good together. I'm not sure if they meant I looked like a dog or exactly what but I thanked them anyway. The photos here don't really do her looks justice. She reminds me of a thoroughbred race horse, with the white blaze markings on her head and white feet.

We did our Starbucks deal last night and she was pretty good. Not perfect, but pretty good. I had my PB jar with me and she had a brown tongue most of the night. We had a great walk home and after a few minutes I pointed to the kennel and she went right in without a fuss.

In retrospect, I think the worst is over. There were huge issues when we started and each week they get much better. She is learning what's acceptable I think at least to some degree and starting to look to me for guidance. My guess is we will be having a much different conversation this time next year. I am high on Peyton's ability to conform over time and settle in to her new home.

My normal dog park opens in a couple more weeks and I'll be taking her several times a week if possible. I may also consider doggy day care just so she has more interaction with other dogs but that gets expensive quick so that may not be a viable option long term.

 

[smkie]

WIth Pepper the little terrier i found last winter, a dog that came with door dodging and run away issues ,i have to take her to the park no less than 4 times a week. SHe is still young, under two years. I can not tell you the amount of time and tears i had following her in the car while she ignored every plea, every bit of food i through out of the car, it was awful. I wanted to give up, i was tired of chasing after a dog that would show me no respect or affection for months. Now she is my girl without a doubt and i think of her as the little kid. STill i know if i do not get her to the park to run and run hard for a half hour to an hour she will start watching that door for the first oportunity.


SHe is every bit as high gear as my english pointer. HE i had to take the park daily for at least the first year, and then i was able to taper it down to about 3 times a week. NOw he is 4 and if we went once or twice he would probably be fine. HE was a piece of work too when he came, a total catastrophe, and has surpassed anything i could have imagined for him. I am so glad to hear your staying the course, your in the terrible teens right now, i believe it will get much much better.

 

[JoeLacy]

Yes, I'm staying the course. I tend not to give up very easily on things I know that are good at their core. I spent 4 hours with this puppy alone before I ever adopted her. I did that to see how she responded to a variety of issues. Peyton had the core components built in, like being people friendly and very smart. Even though she had never been on a leash before, I had her walking on a leash in no time during the evaluation. If I had thought Peyton was untrainable, I would have left her to someone else. I did my homework on the dog, so I knew what I was getting as much as anyone could getting a dog from the shelter. I have not been disappointed and she has come along really great all things considered.

The other part of this, is the time, effort and expense I have spent so far. Every dollar and every minute has paid off, although some to a lesser degree. I'm not about to throw that progress away and the gains we have both made are substantial.

I'm not training to some kind of standard, like the CGC. I'm training to my own. As long as I can control her with some reasonable amount of assurances I am fine with that. I never wanted a ROBOT dog. I want her to be free and have fun, not succumb to some arbitrary standard at the sake of loosing her personalty, which is the reason I got her in the first place. Everyone loves Peyton, and there's a reason for that, she's good at her core being.

Yep, Peyton and I are an item now, and it's highly unlikely that will change regardless of the few issues we encounter along the way. She is a great dog by my standards and is even greater everyday. Hard to give up, when you see any progress at all and I do, and it's everyday in some small way. That's enough progress for me, no way I'm giving up, NONE.

 

[JoeLacy]

Peyton is a cool dog. I like cool things. I don't like stupid uncool boring things very well, pets or people. I drive a cool car, I wear cool clothes, live in a cool place, I only listen to cool music. Peyton fits nicely among all this, she is a very "cool" dog to have around. She looks great in a BMW. Peyton fits me and my lifestyle very well and she ain't stupid.

I don't' think a sweeter dog has ever been born. I tried one time to rub her tummy until she tired of it. I'm not sure how long I rubbed but my arm got tired before she did. She is a very people orientated dog. I like sweets.

 

[JoeLacy]

Oh I meant to tell you guys. Last night I was eating dinner and my hands were greasy. I picked up a glass of green Tea. It slipped out of my hand and hit the table. Peyton was near the table and got covered in green tea. She licked up a little but most of it dried on her. She needs a bath now but got some extra antioxidants.

 

[smkie]

do you buy cool art? just kidding. The world needs more people like you.
I am not one for the placid side of life either. I need a high geared intelligent dog which is why i prefer pointers above all others. My second choice would be the field lab and behind that the border collie. YOu have crossed so many hurdles so quickly. I Thought your scoring of goals was very impressive.

I disagree on the robot dog however. THe pets for life test was the best goal i ever had for VIctor. IT was hard, very hard, and we had to train like crazy to get there. HE is not a robot by any stretch of the imagination but i know that i can take him into any situation, and he will be steadfast. THat he has learned to read his enviorment and me at the same time. He has been very protective in the past, and yet i can take him into a crowd of a thousand people (Kansas CIty Plaza Art Fair) and know he will not wig. THis has opened all the doors for him, he is able to go anywhere we please and is welcome. SO training for that goal in particular was the best thing i ever did for him. HE is stiill able to be willful when he wants to. HE is perfectly able of communicating his needs and wants but he will not put himself in danger if the answer is NO. IT makes us the team that i want us to be.

 

[JoeLacy]

That is my point system, I would be willing to bet she is near all zero's on the CGC scale but that does not matter. What I call Robot dogs are those so afraid to do anything they are frozen.

I went to a class as a preview and every dog there (for the most part) were on prong collars. Yeah, they minded well, but never looked around, were just fixed on owners and I felt they lost some of their dogginess. If I wanted a stuff animal, I would buy one at the department store.

Peyton a very sensitive dog and I am being very careful not to over correct her to the point she looses who she is. It's sorta like marrying someone and trying to change the reason you married them. I have to strike a balance between behavior I consider within tolerable limits and who she is as a dog. I walk that line everyday because I think it's the right way to approach this for me personally. I could have her all 10's by now if I was more forceful, but that is not my goal for her. Peyton will never have her tail between her legs around me and not because she doesn't have a tail .

I think some dogs owners want show/competition dogs and my guess is that Peyton would not pass those tests. My goals are a happy house dog and nothing more. I have other things I enjoy in my life and my dog is just one of them. No one thing is more important to me than the other really. She's a part of it all, not my single reason to live nor my singular joy in life.

Peyton has a couple of off the wall things she does as an example. When I sit down she likes to sit on my foot if my legs are crossed. Now according to some standards she should be right beside me. Well, so what, let her sit where she wants, I have bigger issues to deal with in my life other than where my dogs sits.

When I'm laying on bed watching TV, she will try and walk right in front of my face and lay down. I move her over to the side. I don't want her to think I can't be approached and it's fine if she wants to get up there with me, just don't try and lay down on my face please. I think that's a reasonable compromise.

I just think there are give and takes along this path that need to be considered both with my own goals and Peyton's personality. The last thing I will ever do, is break the spirit of this dog and if it take the next 10 years for her to learn sit in a pack of dogs or never so be it. I won't sacrifice who she is or what I believe for what someone else thinks is a great dog.

 

[smkie]

I am not pushing Pepper either. SHe is young and we have loads of time. A good pace of learning, just enough to keep them curious and anticipating is just about right. My old boss had three rules for training a dog. ALways keep it short, make sure they are having at least 50 percent of the fun, and leave them wanting more. WIth a young dog you have to find the right balance. But have a standard you won't slip below. GRowling, gaurding, snapping, for me leash pulling (unless i need some help getting up a hill) and especially for me barking is an issue. No matter where we are. Dogs get sloppy too. VIctor's come was anything but robotic yesterday in the woods. HE came, but willy nilly after he had finished sniffing what he wanted to. A little longer then i cared for. I will tolerate a little but he was pushing my margins. Next warm day i will go out and remind him of what i expect. He is too far along to be pulling that stunt.


My dogs best get up on the sofa with me or in the bed, or else i would freeze to death. I even crack the bedroom window for fresh air and so we will be that much more snuggly.


I don't think there is a standard for down time. I think that is what fits the owner/trainer's comfort zone. I Do think when i put the leash on and we hit the street, or the nursing home, or a crowd, it's all busness. My labs always knew at field trials, i swear it was a different dog that was silly and funny at home vs the serious on the market, down to business, dog when we approached the line. Maybe it's because my attitude is different, who knows. AS long as they follow suit we are all good.

IF we hadn't strived for the goals we did VIctor would never have been able to do this. http://www.chazhound.com/pictures/showphoto.php?photo=10647&nocache=1
But that is my thing, i enjoy teaching. He is a smart dog that must always be challanged. Me too. FOr us training is on going tho we have been a bit lax lately and need to step it up. But this is what i mean, at home he is willful and sometimes stubborn, a little guardy of things which i have to keep up on that he doesn't get a big head and think he can go too far. BUt out there in the world he knows what to do. IT took 3 years to get there.

 

[JoeLacy]

I'm pretty disappointed today. She's costing about 200.00 a week in destruction. She is pulling things off places I have put things up "out of her reach". I have about 300.00 invested in her training and I'm not seeing any results from all that time and effort.

This is turning out to be the most expensive dog I have ever owned and her bad behavior is just not improving. If I can't put anything on the floor, I can accept that, but having her pull things off my dresser to chew on is where I have to draw the line.

I have two classes for Peyton today, it's all about Peyton today (as usual). More time, more effort, more money and the best I can hope for are incremental results. I need to see some quantum improvement soon or drastically change the way I'm doing things.

Peyton continues to be an expensive and often a frustrating proposition. I do have a lot of patience, but even mine is running short.

 

[smkie]

I am so sorry. IS there anyway you can contain her when you are not with her at all times until you have this under control? I have leashed more then one dog to me. SHe is going to have to be treated like a puppy until the dog learns to act like an adult. HOw much burn off time did she have before she did the destruction? Sounds like a call for attention good or bad. DO you have a safe room that you have payton proofed where if you cannot be with the dog Payton cannot get into trouble? EVen a run would be cheaper and safer.

I have read where people placed treats in hidden spots when they had to leave the room. OR the house for awhile. But i think your dog is not going to fall for such a past time. It still might be worth a try.
I know they have kongs, and such. I never used these, i did the leash thing until the teenage rebellions were over. There is a book that is written by the Monks of New SKete that i followed early on in my learning days and combined that with the advice of my old boss. You have to take a little from everywhere until you find what works for you. THere is no reason for a dog to do such damage. YOUr going to have to find something that works before Payton tears up and swallows the wrong thing and gets sick.

 

[smkie]

i wanted to edit and add but it had been over 60 minutes..

so excuse the double post.

I have read where people placed treats in hidden spots when they had to leave the room. OR the house for awhile. But i think your dog is not going to fall for such a past time. It still might be worth a try.
I know they have kongs, and such. I never used these, i did the leash thing until the teenage rebellions were over. There is a book that is written by the Monks of New SKete that i followed early on in my learning days and combined that with the advice of my old boss. You have to take a little from everywhere until you find what works for you. THere is no reason for a dog to do such damage. YOUr going to have to find something that works before Payton tears up and swallows the wrong thing and gets sick.

I Do not leave my dogs (except Mary) with full run of the house when i leave. EVen tho they are good. I still prefer they go to their room. In it there is nothing they can get into, no cords to be chewed, (if i have a bad chewer i have already bitter apple gelled all cords that i couldn't get out of site) no mini blinds to destroy, windows are blocked so they can't bounce against them. THey have their toys, their beds, it is their spot. I start with a few minutes come back and praise and gradually stretch that out. IN your car i would use a crate since the dog has shown there is no trust there either.


Victor got it early on that trust was earned. Good behavior got fun. Bad behavior did not. I never shouted or yelled, just ignored. A word of SHAMe on you, then nothing from me, not even a glance for 20 minutes.. IT took him no time at all to figure that out.
I would back that up with some calming massage before you leave (for even 5 minutes to start) hitting all the calming pressure points and down the miridian of the side using t-touch massage. Using a trigger word as i did the massage. THEn put the dog in the area, leave for a few minutes come back and praise like crazy. Stretch it out minute by minute, practicing a several times a day. Make a game out of it, when nothing is disturbed, do what the dog loves the very most. IF it were me, that is what i would do.

IF your dog can't make it 2 minutes, make it 30 seconds. YOu have to catch it while good behavior is still in progress. EVentually you can put temptation in the way and see how it goes. SOmetimes as Creature TEacher taught me you have to learn up to understand down.

 

[Dekka]

I'm not training to some kind of standard, like the CGC. I'm training to my own. As long as I can control her with some reasonable amount of assurances I am fine with that. I never wanted a ROBOT dog. I want her to be free and have fun, not succumb to some arbitrary standard at the sake of loosing her personalty, which is the reason I got her in the first place. Everyone loves Peyton, and there's a reason for that, she's good at her core being.

I would like to point out that training, done through mutual respect will only help your dogs personality shine brighter.

Training should simply be increased communication between you and your dog. It conditions both of you to pay attention to each other, and trains both of you in a mutual language. This is why I am so against suppressive training styles. (like those of CM, Patterson, The Monks of New Skete, Kohler) While they can result in a dog who is obedient.. it does not teach the dog how to communicate with the human. The language is all one way.. Master to slave.

Teaching a dog to settle in a crate, come when called, heel politely, do tricks, agility, flyball etc is not going to create a robot. It will create a dog who loves to spend time in the company of their human.

LOL does this look like a robot? (I know I know I need a new clip...) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T-WUt6k-ac Or does this look like a dog who is excited to be a partner of a team. Does it look like a dog who is happy because they understand the 'rules of the game' of what is going on. A dog who is confident that even though there are other dogs (she is dog reactive) around that her human will protect her?

 

[Jynx]

Joe, no disrespect intended,,but Peyton is costing you money in "destroying" things because she "can"...Where are you when she's pulling stuff off your dressers and destroying stuff?

You absolutely don't need to have a "robot" dog to have good manners and be able to live with it. If she can't be supervised, she needs to be in a crate, or she needs to be leashed to your side. IF she doesn't have the opportunity to 'destroy' things it won't happen.

And just to relate,,my 7mth old, tends to be a chewer as well,,if she can get to something when I'm not supervising,,believe me she's gonna take full advantage of that.
It's really NOT un-normal behavior for young dogs to get into everything and anything they can (tho I've been darn lucky up to this point!, for me it's 'payback' time for all the easy dogs I've had!!) I don't know how many times I've read someone comes home,,the sofa is in shreds, the pillows are torn apart,,walls scratched up,,screens pushed out...All of these things easily avoided,,by crating..)

Hope you have a good day at classes today
diane

 

[JoeLacy]

Gee, what a day. After the Petsmart class I went out to see Dogstar Academy. That was the biggest waste of time I have had this year. First 15 minutes I sat in a chair and fed Peyton treats. Yes, Peyton eats. Then we walked around in the field some without even the word heal. There was another dog in the class. Peyton yanked the leash out of my hand and ran over to meet the other dog. You would have thought she had bombed the World Trade Center. I went and got Peyton and we worked on feeding her more treats. Hardly a training class. Dogstar told she would be banned from agility if Peyton ever did that. Te trainer said it like it was the end of the world.

Anyway we tried to move closer to this other dog but the trainer didn't trust me to hold Peyton leash, even with the trainer holding her leash. I heard the other dog owner say " "That dog is clueless," talking about Peyton. I let it slide, then that owner said it again, and I let it slide, the third time she said that I SNAPPED! Told that owner FU! I got my puppy and left ALL those loosers and came back to civilization.

Some people and their pompus attitudes over their dogs. It's dog for Christ sake. Peyton might be a lot of things but clueless is not one one of them and insult her or me and I won't sit back and take it for very long. I left shaking mad, don't insult me or my dog and we'll get along just fine. Do either and you're subject to find me in your face and it won't be pretty. These people need to get a clue and a life.

A total waste of time and over an hour drive for nothing. I should have known better considering what part of town it was held. I left my clicker and 1/2 jar of Peanut butter. I'll get more, it was worth it before I really went off on her.

I have not met many dog trainers, only 4 or 5 but this was the worst. Nope, I won't be wasting more time on this one. Both Peyton and I were insulted and that does not make for a "positive training experience" for either.
The Petsmart class went about as I expected. The trainer did say today that she felt it wasn't a training issue now and suggested I speak with a vet about calming her down some. (Meds) Today's class was leave it, wait. Of course Peyton nailed those even in class with other dogs. No classes next week., so Peyton and I will work on our own.

 

[Dekka]

Gee, what a day. After the Petsmart class I went out to see Dogstar Academy. That was the biggest waste of time I have had this year. First 15 minutes I sat in a chair and fed Peyton treats. Yes, Peyton eats. Then we walked around in the field some without even the word heal. There was another dog in the class. Peyton yanked the leash out of my hand and ran over to meet the other dog. You would have thought she had bombed the World Trade Center. I went and got Peyton and we worked on feeding her more treats. Hardly a training class. Dogstar told she would be banned from agility if Peyton ever did that. Te trainer said it like it was the end of the world.

I am sorry you had a bad experience. No its not the end of the world.. but yes you can be banned from a whole agility venue for not being in control of your dog. If Peyton had done that to the wrong dog, that dog might have hurt Peyton. Dekka would have responded fairly violently to a charging dog. Darien (my 8 year old son) does agility with Sport (his large BC) If Sport is super high.. I have seen him drag Darien bodily a few feet. Darien knows that no MATTER WHAT you don't let go of the dog. (no if Sport is that high I hold him between exercises.. NO dog should get rushed)

Even if the dog didn't react badly it can be a serious set back to other people's training.

Anyway we tried to move closer to this other dog but the trainer didn't trust me to hold Peyton leash, even with the trainer holding her leash. I heard the other dog owner say " "That dog is clueless," talking about Peyton. I let it slide, then that owner said it again, and I let it slide, the third time she said that I SNAPPED! Told that owner FU! I got my puppy and left ALL those loosers and came back to civilization.

Why would you move closer? You already lost control once. That is an indication that you need more work on focus and attention exercises before you try using someone else's dog as a guinea pig. There is nothing wrong with your dog not being ready for working in close quarters. Did you talk to the trainer about what the client was saying. No trainer is responsible for thier clients in that way. Was it said nastily? A dog who rushes up to other dogs is "clueless" at least when it comes to normal dog manners. A dog with good manners doesn't need training not to rush other dogs. Unfortunately many dogs don't learn good manners as a pup.

Some people and their pompus attitudes over their dogs. It's dog for Christ sake. Peyton might be a lot of things but clueless is not one one of them and insult her or me and I won't sit back and take it for very long. I left shaking mad, don't insult me or my dog and we'll get along just fine. Do either and you're subject to find me in your face and it won't be pretty. These people need to get a clue and a life.

A dog who rushes up to other dogs is "clueless" at least when it comes to normal dog manners. A dog with good manners doesn't need training not to rush other dogs. Unfortunately many dogs don't learn good manners as a pup. I think telling a person to FU is worse than saying a dog is clueless. That kind of behaviour will get you kicked out more things that your dog's will.

 

[k9waggingtails]

As one of the trainers who was there, I'd like to mention some things here. First of all, this is a CU class, based on the book Control Unleashed. It is not a traditional (command-based) training class, rather it is a way for you and your dog to learn to remain calm and under threshold even in stimulating environments. Also, this was an evaluation and not a training session for Joe and his dog.

First 15 minutes I sat in a chair and fed Peyton treats. Yes, Peyton eats. Then we walked around in the field some without even the word heal.

During the first 15 minutes, I told Joe about the concepts of active attention, passive attention, and management. We then moved over to two chairs and a mat to work on relaxing and passive attention. I took the clicker at this point and was clicking for signs of relaxation (blinking, ears relaxing, mouth softening) while Joe fed her treats. The other dog in the training field was moving in our general direction, and Peyton was starting to look more tense, so I had Joe stand up and walk away from the dog with her, working on active attention (this is done without cuing the dog for attention so that it becomes a default behavior).

There was another dog in the class. Peyton yanked the leash out of my hand and ran over to meet the other dog. You would have thought she had bombed the World Trade Center.

This was a big deal because the other dog is dog-reactive. Joe was told before coming to the training field to not let Peyton run up on this dog at any time.

Anyway we tried to move closer to this other dog but the trainer didn't trust me to hold Peyton leash, even with the trainer holding her leash. I heard the other dog owner say " "That dog is clueless," talking about Peyton. I let it slide, then that owner said it again, and I let it slide, the third time she said that I SNAPPED! Told that owner FU! I got my puppy and left ALL those loosers and came back to civilization.

The other trainer held Peyton's leash because the other dog was moving closer, and we didn't want to take a chance on Peyton running up on the other dog again. The other dog's owner did say that Peyton was "clueless", but she was talking to her dog in a "Don't worry about that dog, it's just a silly puppy and doesn't know any better" way. I don't think that resorting to foul language and over-the-top anger was a good way of reacting to this situation.

 

[MericoX]

Handlers that can't control their dog IS a very serious issue in a training class... and it's not the trainer's fault

But.. oh.. poor you. Everyone's against you! Funny how what really happened is a long shot of what you claim it to be.

 

[JoeLacy]

Don't insult me or my dog and we'll do just fine. The leash slipped, get over it. No-one died. I'm sorry it did and that dog freaked out. Peyton has never even growled at a house fly.

But to be belittled for it, is not acceptable. PERIOD. No, that's not how that woman said it and it wasn't once but 3 times. I let it pass the first then second but not the third. 3 times is the charm for me. Period. Pompous people, don't get much traction with me. Who cares about agility, have I EVER said one word about this is all this? NO. I couldn't care less.

I won't argue or discuss this anymore. That training method is not what I looking for in the first place. All this doggy zen crap is not getting it done and feeding Peyton treats is something she is very used to getting even in a pack of dogs. She's gained 5 lbs in a 2 months and she didn't get that way eating lettuce.

Peyton knows:
Sit, down, stay, heel, wait, look, ring the bell, leave it, drop it, fetch, come, show me belly and so many more. She knows so many commands I have to keep a file on them all. Far from clueless, so don't insult my dog nor my intensity or my progress which neither you know intimately enough to pass judgment. Yeah she's dog reactive. I know that, trust me.

I will apologize publicly for loosing my temper, but I won't change my mind on that method. By the time she learned from that method she would be too old to see another dog coming. Not for me, end of that discussion.

 

[Zoom]

Joe, what I'm getting out of this thread is that you're looking for a quick fix and you're not going to get that when you switch methods on her like some people change clothes. This "doggy zen crap" has helped numerous dogs but it takes more than one session to see any sort of tangible result. I'm assuming what went on today was laying the foundation. To John Q. Public, it probably did look like a bunch of eating and nothing else. This is where being able to properly read body language comes in so handy and is something that is learned over time.

I would have suggested to keep at Dogstar's classes, because I hold "Control Unleashed" in a very high opinion, but after seeing you public bash and burn bridges, that's up to the two of you whether or not you want to keep working together.

And *this time* no one died, but really, letting Peyton charge up to the wrong dog can very easily result in giant vet bills if not a dead or severely maimed dog. I konw you said the leash slipped this time, but I think you've let the leash slip a couple times before. You've gotten very lucky in that Peyton has not been hurt.

My final word of unsolicited advice is to LISTEN and LEARN from the people who do know more than you on this subject. You've gleaned a ton of info from Doberluv and others who have posted on this thread, but only so much can be done via the Internet and it does take someone who knows how to read and respond to body language to really accomplish giant steps. For all intents and purposes you have a dog that has no clue about manners and basics because she was never taught those things during her big socialization window. That's the one downfall of acquiring a shelter dog; I'm going through an insanely rough time with my Lab right now because of that exact reason.

 

[k9waggingtails]

The leash slipped, get over it. No-one died. I'm sorry it did and that dog freaked out.

Nobody died, but that's the kind of situation that can quickly erupt into a serious dogfight, especially when one or both of the dogs is dog-reactive.

Peyton knows:
Sit, down, stay, heel, wait, look, ring the bell, leave it, drop it, fetch, come, show me belly and so many more. She knows so many commands I have to keep a file on them all. Far from clueless, so don't insult my dog nor my intensity or my progress which neither you know intimately enough to pass judgment. Yeah she's dog reactive. I know that, trust me.

I never insulted you, your dog, your intensity, or your progress. In fact, I thought Peyton was a delightful, sweet puppy. Also, it was the other dog that I was referring to when I talked about dog reactivity.