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My mentor took my Bushwacker for a week to shows when a pup ! I missed him too much ! Besides , I wanted him to have a family life with the kids in the woods and creek ....not caged to keep a coat .
 

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My mentor took my Bushwacker for a week to shows when a pup ! I missed him too much ! Besides , I wanted him to have a family life with the kids in the woods and creek ....not caged to keep a coat .
I would like to point out. I know an amazing golden breeder near here. All dogs super out going and friendly all finnish quickly in the conf ring (no needing a handler to finnish.. and goldens are competative!) All health tested etc etc.

She lives in the country and the dogs all live normally. None are caged to keep a 'good show coat'. They run in the woods and sleep in the house.

Not all conformation dogs live secluded lives. Many live normal day to day lives just like any other beloved pet.
 

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I know of breeders (who are considered good breeders) who send their dogs off with a handler for MONTHS at a time. Something I never understood and couldn't do myself. This, I would assume, is because they don't have the time to travel/be with the dog during all the shows, but they get that all important title before breeding the dog. Does that make them a better candidate to breed and socialize puppies? I have to wonder...........
Beau was gone for months actually. Well, 6 weeks but close enough. Just because they go out with handlers doesn't make them any less loved/well cared for. I missed him of course and was so happy to have him back.
 

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IMO its not that you don't love them (sending them off to handlers) its that often that is what it takes to get them finnished. Not everyone has the time to devote their life to showing their dogs. (including breeders, we all know breeders should NOT be making lots of money breeding, so they have to hold down jobs etc etc)
 

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Would love to know which she is !! Yes , many can do it ........ I couldn't .Obedience was one thing we did , but not the show ring .
 

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AON golden Retrievers I think. Her website doesn't work. (lol like she needs one) As she is local I have had a few of her pups in to classes with me. They are great dogs (not for me but really the idea family pet. Active enough to be fun but not more than the people are willing to do, love everyone and look gorgeous too.
 

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Beau was gone for months actually. Well, 6 weeks but close enough. Just because they go out with handlers doesn't make them any less loved/well cared for. I missed him of course and was so happy to have him back.
I was not suggesting that these dogs aren't loved. It's not something I could do, but I try not to assume what/why other people do. I was referring to Elegy's post to the effect of "if they don't have time to DO something with their dogs, how are they going to have time to breed/socialize pups"

That was the point of my post..........people who "send their dog out" to earn the titles, for time constraints and/or scheduling issues, do they really have the time to breed/socialize their pups then?
 

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As I always say - a dog is a dog is a dog, regardless of breed. As long as it's bred well, health tested, etc., why not? I'd be okay with breeding two total mutts if they were in at least one sport and health/temperament tested, y'know?
 

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I'd say better than your average doodler if the results on the health tests are real, but still... TWO litters in June, both large one?s How the HELL are those puppies getting all they need? TWO studs who are UNDER two years of age? All but two of their bitches under 2 years of age, and the two that are bred are a year and a half?

Meh. Somewhere I would run like hell from. If they're breeding their dogs while they're puppies themselves, what else are they skimping on?

My impression too. It's one thing to stud out more than once or twice a year, but to breed two of YOUR FEMALES. . .and at the same time no less. Meh, I don't think highly of that.
 

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As I always say - a dog is a dog is a dog, regardless of breed. As long as it's bred well, health tested, etc., why not? I'd be okay with breeding two total mutts if they were in at least one sport and health/temperament tested, y'know?


Edit...not worth it.
 

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I do know one breeder that bred 2 of her bitches at once. She was waiting for both of them to come into season and ofcourse they decided to do it at the same time. She wanted to be keeping something from the resulting litters so she decided she'd breed both and have something nice to pick from when they were born.
Both girls whelped within days of each other and both were large litters for this breed, she had over 20 puppies ot care for for those 8 weeks.

Not ideal but it wouldn't be the deciding point on a breeder for me, she's still the breeder I am happiest with and would probably appraoch her first if I ever decided to pursue her particular breed.
 

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As I always say - a dog is a dog is a dog, regardless of breed. As long as it's bred well, health tested, etc., why not? I'd be okay with breeding two total mutts if they were in at least one sport and health/temperament tested, y'know?


I have to disagree here, I hate when I hear about people striving for that title simply so its justified that the breeding can take place. Its so much more than that and I don't thinka crossbred shoudlj be bred just because its a good agility dog.

A dog shouldn't have to just tick all the boxes, its more than that. Its got to bring something mort to the breed (whether or not that breed is still developing or not doesn't matter) but you can't just title dogs, test them than slap them together.
 

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My impression too. It's one thing to stud out more than once or twice a year, but to breed two of YOUR FEMALES. . .and at the same time no less. Meh, I don't think highly of that.
Personally I don't have an issue with it. If your two girls cycled together then why not? If you have the waiting list, the money and the time for two litters, why is it any different that having one.

Its some how better if they are a few months apart?
 

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Eh. I don't like the idea of breeding just because they do sports and are health tested. If that were the case, I have a Border Collie/lab mix, she's a service dog, she's the smartest, most devoted and loving dog I've ever had, I could compete in agility with her, health test her, and breed her if she passed them (fully hypothetical of course, she's spayed). To me, that is not ethical. What purpose am I fullfilling by doing that? A good sport dog? There are plenty of successful sport dogs that can come from a reputable breeder or even a shelter.
 

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Eh. I don't like the idea of breeding just because they do sports and are health tested. If that were the case, I have a Border Collie/lab mix, she's a service dog, she's the smartest, most devoted and loving dog I've ever had, I could compete in agility with her, health test her, and breed her if she passed them (fully hypothetical of course, she's spayed). To me, that is not ethical. What purpose am I fullfilling by doing that? A good sport dog? There are plenty of successful sport dogs that can come from a reputable breeder or even a shelter.
Playing devils advocate. Why is more ok for a breeder to do it? If people wanted pups of your dog (you had a waiting list) and she was titled up the ying yang and fully health tested why is that more wrong than if another persons dog with specific papers does it?
 

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Personally I don't have an issue with it. If your two girls cycled together then why not? If you have the waiting list, the money and the time for two litters, why is it any different that having one.

Its some how better if they are a few months apart?
Yes, IMO. Why not wait till one bitch comes into season again?

Playing devils advocate. Why is more ok for a breeder to do it? If people wanted pups of your dog (you had a waiting list) and she was titled up the ying yang and fully health tested why is that more wrong than if another persons dog with specific papers does it?
Whoa. . .So your okay with breeding a dog that is not registered? So it's okay to breed my shelter dog now if it has titles in a sport and cleared health testing? So are we not suppost to breed anymore what a breed was originally bred for?
 

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Playing devils advocate. Why is more ok for a breeder to do it? If people wanted pups of your dog (you had a waiting list) and she was titled up the ying yang and fully health tested why is that more wrong than if another persons dog with specific papers does it?
Her pups might make great sport dogs, able to be titled in agility, obedience, what have you, but what am I really offering? She's a cross between two breeds, so I'm not offering anything to a breed. Border collies for example who are bred strictly for working ability, temperament, and soundness, make fabulous agility dogs. Any breed already established can offer everything I could do by breeding my dog.
There are dogs you can adopt from a shelter that could meet all the criteria of what I hypothetically would want to produce. I see no reason to breed for those things I can find at my local HS.
 

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Yes, IMO. Why not wait till one bitch comes into season again?



Whoa. . .So your okay with breeding a dog that is not registered? So it's okay to breed my shelter dog now if it has titles in a sport and cleared health testing? So are we not suppost to breed anymore what a breed was originally bred for?

Sure I know hunting people who breed non registered dogs. They breed solely for a purpose and don't care much about papers. (tho they do keep pedigrees where they can)

You should see my dog's papers. When you go back all the parents are 'Mick' and 'Moo', 'Lucy' etc etc. JRTs didn't have a registry back then, but they did keep track of who was good hunters.


And as for breeding 2 at once... why not. You said you would wait, but you never said why. (I know of breeders who did breed 2 close together, none had issues in any way)
 

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Sure I know hunting people who breed non registered dogs. They breed solely for a purpose and don't care much about papers. (tho they do keep pedigrees where they can)

You should see my dog's papers. When you go back all the parents are 'Mick' and 'Moo', 'Lucy' etc etc. JRTs didn't have a registry back then, but they did keep track of who was good hunters.


And as for breeding 2 at once... why not. You said you would wait, but you never said why. (I know of breeders who did breed 2 close together, none had issues in any way)

But some people like having the pedigree for their dogs. They LIKE knowing what their great-grandmother did -yes, I knew a dog that far back in Blaze's line.

As for the breeding two dogs at once. There are too many things that could go wrong with ONE litter, why add another to that? A parent dies, needs your attetion now, buyers fall through, puppies get sick, both dams need c-section. Why double the risk when you can just wait for another heat cycle?
 

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