Labradoodles

Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by Angel Chicken, Aug 30, 2008.

  1. I'm not condoneing breeding doodles, so please don't take this as the wrong thing.

    I just came across this website, what do you guys think of this breeder? And No, I'm not considering another dog :lol-sign:

    Tuscan Ridge Labradoodles
     
  2. bubbatd

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    They seem to be cranking them out !
     
  3. Laurelin

    Laurelin I'm All Ears

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    To me they seem decent enough... I wish they did more with their dogs, though. I saw a few CGCs but those aren't too hard to get. I'd also like a bit more information on their breeding goals. Why cross this dog with this one? What's the plan here for the pups? Good application, though, with no paypal options or anything. Contract seemed normal as far as I could tell (skimmed). They take back their pups. Lots of health clearances.

    Then again, I have no real problem with the labradoodles being bred.

    ETA: And the deal with two litters close together- I'd want to know if that's a common thing or if it just happened. Some breeders just so happen to not breed often but when they do, they have more than one litter at the same time.
     
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    I'd say better than your average doodler if the results on the health tests are real, but still... TWO litters in June, both large one?s How the HELL are those puppies getting all they need? TWO studs who are UNDER two years of age? All but two of their bitches under 2 years of age, and the two that are bred are a year and a half?

    Meh. Somewhere I would run like hell from. If they're breeding their dogs while they're puppies themselves, what else are they skimping on?

    Honestly, what that says to me is "we haven't established breed type yet, and we don't intend to - but boy are the puppies cute!"

    They have a very nice site, though, and appear to have paid for professional photography (or perhaps one of them is a good hobby photographer) but that doesn't say or mean much, except that the site is pretty. In all the pictures the dogs look like they are indoors on in a yard (not a run) and well-groomed and happy.
     
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    Dekka Just try me..

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    I know many (many many) CKC/AKC breeders who produce top ch dogs who breed at a year :yikes: In many circles this is considered 'normal'. Now while I don't condone it esp for females it is not a deal breaker to me. And in this case it might be hard to find health tested nice males. Better a young health tested one than an older untested one.

    I do like that the state that the different coat types will shed, some even 'heavily'. I like the fact that they do lots of health testing. Yes I wish they did more with their dogs, but at LEAST they are doing CGCs

    I am ok with a 'type' of dog. But then again I breed JRTs which in many cases is more a 'type' than a breed. When I read that same paragraph as Nolu posted I got from it something different. I got that she was trying not to step on other people's toes but is still trying to be honest about what is going on.

    The things I like the most are- Mulit generation doodles (that is a BIGGIE for me, if you are trying to make a new breed it MUST eventually breed fairly true) The dogs all look happy and live in the house. I like the health testing and that they have a contract. I do like they take the effort to CGC them (its not like they can show conformation)

    Things I am meh about-the many litters. It could be that they have that high a demand. If people want nice doodles at least lets have them buying ones with health tests, stable temperaments, and breeder support. Or it could be that they tend to churn them out.

    Things I don't like-the NAME they really need to come up with a new name... labradoodles? seriously people. Call them an Australian retriever or something.

    Over all its nice to see someone making a stab at breeding doodles responsibly. Heck the public is going to buy them anyway.... lets at least give them some decent options.
     
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    I noticed in the pictures that one litter with the Lab . To me 1st generation Labradoodles are mutts .
     
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    thats great bubbatd.. but then all dogs were mutts once ;)

    Silken Windhounds started out as 'mutts' but are now a closed breed with a registry etc etc.

    To me starting out as a mutt (JRTs started out as mutts and so did goldens) is just fine...its where you go from there that matters.
     
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    Agree....but it takes many generations .
     
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    *shrug* Not the best, not the worst. It appears they're at least trying to do the best they can; at least they're health testing. I would at least talk to them in person to find out more, if that means anything.

    EDIT: Though I take them less seriously after seeing the dressed up puppy pictures...and what is with "guardian homes"?
     
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    I see what you're saying.. but they are breeding puppies. They're babies. To me that is so wrong. Middie kept developing until he was 2. For me, I wish they would wait.

    But if the dogs are breeding true.. why on earth is there such a variation in size and coat type? 10" dogs and then dogs twice that, and puppies with all different coat types? Maybe I'm expecting too much - I don't know how many generations in they are or what their original stock is from, but I kind of think that if you are selling dogs as a member of a breed they ought to have breed characteristics.

    I totally agree.
     
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    Hm... I didn't notice the 1 year old studs. That'd be a concern to me definitely.
     
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    If they breed before 2 years old , how do have hip clearance ???
     
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    I was wondering that also but you can get an OFA prelim done on dogs under 24 months. However, you do not get an OFA number unless the x-rays are taken after 24 months. I believe Penn Hip can certify dogs over 4 months but I am not familiar with them.
     
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    Agree ... but I don't think they should say OFA checked until over 2 . I did pre 2 years too , but never bred until they were redone and registered after 2 years .
     
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    I like that they have australian labradoodles, if I wanted one, that's the kind I'd get.

    As far as guardian homes, I'd think that's kind of like a co-owner, so they pretty much "foster" the dog until the breeders are ready to breed her. I don't know, that's just my guess.
     
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    Agree that the Australian Labradoodles are ready to be accepted , I just don't like " breeders " who are on the band wagon gleaming off the name ! I really hope that the accepted ones are called ALDs .
     
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    Agree that the Australian Labradoodles are ready to be accepted , I just don't like " breeders " who are on the band wagon gleaning off the name ! I really hope that the accepted ones are called ALDs .
     
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    This reminds me of a lady I saw in the vet's waiting room while I was waiting for my pet's check up. She had a female golden retriever and she was picking up the results of a hip test for her. I chatted with her and as it turned out she had done some other tests on the dog--I believe they were thyroid and CERF tests. She said something about needing to do one more test before they knew if the dog was breedable.

    So at this point I'm thinking, "WOW, it is so awesome to meet a responsible breeder who actually does all the health tests. Clearly this lady knows her stuff!"

    I asked, "So, is your dog a champion yet?"

    "Oh no, we don't show her," she said. "We don't have time for that sort of thing. We're breeding her because she's such a pretty caramel color."

    She was better than the average BYB, but a BYB nonetheless.

    I don't have a problem with people "creating" new breeds . . . IF they have a good reason for it. If it's just because "a mix between this and that would be SO cute and pretty", well, that is completely unacceptable IMO. A mix between any two dogs can be cute, there should be a better reason to "create" a breed than that. If police departments start crossbreeding bloodhounds and labradors for a new breed of bomb-sniffing dogs, I wouldn't object. But for an animal who's only job is "companion" and "pet" . . . I think that's ridiculous. What, people can't find a single dog that suits their family and lifestyle out of the all of breeds, not to mention mixed breeds in the shelters?

    I realize the original thought behind the labradoodle was "maybe we can make a non-shedding, hypoallergenic seeing eye dog." But I ask you . . . is that the intent of this breeder with their "miniature" and "toy" labradoodles, one of whom weighs only fifteen pounds?
     
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    Some good points Nolu. I totally agree that breeding before 3 is too young! BUT many breeders consider it the norm, so if she got a 'mentor' even one that produces many ch dogs she may not 'know' this is wrong. To me I wouldn't buy a puppy from that person, but it is not the most horrid thing going. (Studies have shown that physically dogs CAN raise healthy pups whilst still growing as long as they have plenty of nutrition. I don't think it is worth the risk, nor do I think the bitch would be mentally ready.)

    Poodles come in tiny to huge..are they not a real breed? What about schnauzers? They come in many sizes too. One of the main reasons JRT breed standard is not acceptable to kennel clubs is that 10-15 inches is way to large range for a small dog with only one type. Personally I am ok with that.
     
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    To play devils advocate...

    Why? Cute with a good temperament and healthy is basically all the general public cares about. One of the reasons there are so many unadopted dogs in shelters and such is that they are the ones the 'public' doesn't want.

    Toys were all created to be cute companion dogs. Why is ok for people to do it 100 years ago and not now?
     

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