LA City Council Approves Spay-Neuter Ordinance!!!

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  1. lakotasong

    lakotasong Sled Dog Guardian

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    What a huge step in the right direction!!!!! :hail:

    Decided only hours ago:
    FULL ARTICLE: http://www.knbc.com/news/15283021/detail.html
     
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    How is this the right direction?
    Most dogs and cats aren't fully developed by that point... you're removing hormones needed to "grow up" before they have the chance to do so...

    So what... some puppy millers will stop? strays won't reproduce?
     
  3. noludoru

    noludoru Bored Now.

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    Oh BARF.

    Because more unenforceable legislation is the answer.

    Did you even notice this?

    PUPPY. MILLS.

    The real problem is NOT being solved here. There is a DEMAND for puppies, and that demand will be filled somehow, whether with BYBs circumventing the system or with puppy mills who have a "valid breeding license," or people transporting puppies from other areas there.

    *headdesk*


     
  4. blue

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    Danm Communists. Im going to go thow up now.
     
  5. SharkyX

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    PFFF... why bother to even file for a permit...

    It says dogs competing in almost any dog sport or for almost any title...
    Go to one show or event every yeard regardless of how well you do just say hey I'm trying to get this, this is the only event that fit my schedule.

    You don't even need a purebred to get titles in sports like agility as there are competition groups that will give titles to mixed breed dogs.

    EDIT:
    Went and read it again
    Doesn't say anything about having to earn a title.. just says they must have competed in...
    Now you're just going to get some people showing up at these kinds of events who have no business being there just to say they competed to be exempt from having to fill out some paperwork and continue on there merry way...

    What an awesome piece of law... it makes so much sence. I can see why you support it Summit as it's clearly well thought out, practical and in the best interest of both dog and owner just like alot of the other nonsence you've posted here.
     
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    You just don't get it do you? WE LOVE DOGS. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BECOME EXTINCT. Therefore, this is yet another crap piece of legislation that is only going to serve to hurt the dogs and people of the law-abiding variety and do little to nothing to combat the ones that are the actual problem.
     
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    I'm afraid this won't affect puppy mills one iota ! I also think that it's too young to fix .
     
  8. JennSLK

    JennSLK F150 and a .30-06

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    Sad. Its a horible way to try to control over population
     
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    Actually you know what while sitting here I've thought of the perfect way to make sure no dog is every abused, neglected, mistread, overbread or anything bad ever again.

    Starting today I'm going to create a petition to the government to kill everybody. That way we can be sure that no dog will ever have anything bad happen to it again. Of course we'll have to petition alot of governments and I'll need some volunteers to kill themselves so we can fabricate some numbers to show how it has dramatically improved the quality of canine life.
    Then we'll get somebody who bought a veterinary degree online to talk to politians to demonstrate how killing everyone would definately save alot of needless animal deaths and cruelty. It will also save on legal fees for having to try these people in municipal courts so I guess we'll need somebody to pretend to be an accountant.

    So come on everybody... if you really love dogs then go home and kill yourself (Don't forget to send a message saying you're going to do so though... otherwise how would we know?).
     
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    *gasp* That's brilliant, Sharky! And here I thought those tendencies over the years meant that something was wrong with me, now I realize that it was my inner conscience guiding me in the right direction towards being the perfect animal lover! Score!
     
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    HUGE barf! Seriously! Of even show-quality puppies and dogs, HOW many are actually competing in the show ring at four months old??

    Whoever drafted this bill knew absolutely nothing about dogs.
     
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    Gemp, they'd just need a valid breeding license for the puppies.. never mind showing.. :rolleyes:
     
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    Darn it. I shouldnt have spayed emma! Then i could get a piece of paper from the city of LA, move there and breed beagles. Cuz legal and ethical breeding are the same thing. Right?
     
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    I'm trying to read up a bit more. One article said that dogs "aspiring to the show ring" could be kept intact (I suppose as long as you say your pup is "show quality", you can keep him intact. :rolleyes:).

    But I'm having a surprisingly hard time finding the exact text of the law. Lots of blogs and articles, but not much more. Can somebody find that? I'm very curious.
     
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    Blue, the link bumped me to their homepage. Weird.

     
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    Another law that will affect responsible owners and have no affect on irresponsible owners.

    To support a legislation that does not take into consideration the long term health and behavioral effects of juvenile spay/neuter (as there are nowhere near enough studies done to support it beyond population control) shows a lack of concern that I find abhorrent.

    Preliminary studies have shown that early spay/neuter increases a canines chances of developing bone cancer, an increase in long bone growth which adds to an increase in AC problems etc... as well as, for females specifically, an increase in aggressive tendencies.

    The influence of hormones on a growing animal are very important and to make a law without a much more detailed examination of the possible results of such surgery is irresponsible.

    The CHOICE to spay or neuter should be an informed decision between an owner and their Vet. Each animal is an individual and what may work for one will not necessarily work for another. This law removes the ability of dog owners to make the proper choice for their dogs health based on the disputable "fact" that it will decrease shelter population. Unfortunately, many don't seem to realize that this legislation will create a "black market" for puppies and it will not increase the adoption rate of adult dogs from shelters.

    The cost of enforcing this will be astronomical and many pets will not receive vet care, shots etc due to owners refusing to comply.

    Again, no forethought is being shown by those with an agenda.
     
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    Lilavati Arbitrary and Capricious

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    Oh no, plenty of people have had the same idea. In fact, many of them are associated with AR or radical enviromentalists. After all, killing most or all of the human population would mean all the little animals would be happy. Or perhaps we should just stop breeding . . . not have fewer kids, but none at all. I've heard that proposed.

    My favorite was the head of PETA saying that having a "purebred" human baby was the same sort of conceit as having a purebred dog, and immoral. Note, she did not mean a non-mixed race baby. In fact, I'm not quite sure WHAT she meant, but it was really, really disturbing. It was either having children (any children) is immoral, or we should all be humping chimpanzees, which seems a little extreme.

    Then there are those who just propose killing the human population . .. a nice genetically engineered plague perhaps . . .

    So, I'm afraid your great idea is not an original one. But you have company.
     
  20. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    WOW what a colossally stupid idea.
    You can't compete in most agility competitions till your dog is a year and a half, and all agility venues call for over a year. You can't compete in obedience until your dog is 6 months. You can't race your sighthound (here anyway.. don't know about other venues) until the dog is a year. And these are MINIMUM ages. I know of many agility dogs that are NOT ready until they are even older than this. WOW seems like you want to rush things.

    So how are you supposed to prove at 4 months you are going to do these things. What is to stop people who say..ya I will want to do agility with this dog? And this is no ban for puppymills, so how is this going to help the pet over population issues? Oh Wait, I forgot your lawyer won't let you answer questions.......

    So hmm maybe someone else can answer these for me ;)

    (btw I don't care if people breed mixed dogs for a specific purpose ie flyball, as long as they are doing so ethically and the breeders are responsible for the dogs they produce for LIFE)
     

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