Justice for mijo

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  1. sparks19

    sparks19 I'd rather be at Disney

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    And if you watch the news video you can clearly see him walking down the street with his other dog NOT on a leash at all. So I have a hard time believing his dog "slipped the leash" when after such a horrific event he continues to have his oter dog off lead walking down the road with him.

    And who was walkin the dog that it slipped the lead? He said he was surprised to see the dog laying outside of his house and then saw the blood and went following the blood trail. Lots of conflicting story there.

    I am not "siding" with the guy that killed the dog but I certainly find A Lot of fault on the owners behalf. The VICTIM was the dog... Not the owner.

    The owner who is clearly walking his other dog off lead on camera, the owner who said thedog slipped the lead but has been loose on peopls
    Property multiple times. Something doesn't add up.

    The guy with the machete is a monster NO DOUBT ABOUT IT but the owner is not the victim, the dog is. The owner clearly hasn't learned anything from this since ON CAMERA after the fact he is clearly walking the road with the other dog not on lead.
     
  2. yoko

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    There are PLENTY of people on here who have said they don't always keep their dogs on leashes because a lot of places say the dogs need to be under control and not necessarily on a leash. I can't remember the thread since it's been quite a while but I do remember it. I know when I'd take Lady some where Yoshi would always be on a leash since when she was younger she like to go up to everyone and I usually didn't have time for that. But lady was at my side the whole time.

    During the news it showed the dog clearly staying near him. You didn't see him walking and the dog running back and forth to various yards to check things out. The dog was beside him the whole time even with a stranger there video taping him.

    When I lived in a neighborhood setting if Yoshi had slipped her leash and run off I probably wouldn't have been able to keep her in my eye sight the whole time. If I had walked by my house and hadn't seen her I'd probably go around the neighborhood again instead of hanging out specifically on my one street waiting for her to show up.

    Should he have had a better leash? Like I said earlier yes. Dogs getting off leash or accidentally being let out by someone is a pretty normal occurrence and some times there just isn't anything you can do about it. But to say that this owner who's dog got loose is more responsible than the man that chased this dog down with a weapon and hit it not once, not twice, not even three times but four times is ridiculous.
     
  3. sassafras

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    There's just something wrong with someone who hacks dogs with machetes. I don't even care whose fault it was, I'm just glad that psycho isn't MY neighbor.
     
  4. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Exactly.
     
  5. sparks19

    sparks19 I'd rather be at Disney

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    I don't think anyone is denying there is something seriously wrong with the guy and I feel that he should answer for weilding a machete in public.

    But I also feel this owner needs a lesson in pet responsibility. Yeah the dog in the 10 second clip isn't wandering off but would you be OK walking your dog off leash right after a machete weilding maniac JUST killed your other dog when it was off leash? I wouldn't

    I know about accidents. Teddys collar clip broke when I took him out to potty and as I tried to call him back unsuccessfully he was hit and killed. Know who was at fault? ME!!!!!
     
  6. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

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    Accidents DO happen and sometimes they aren't anyone's fault -- they just are. No one's denying (that I can see) that not having your dog contained is fraught with peril for your dog, but the poor dog wasn't "asking for it."

    And then, there having been three other dogs killed in similar fashion?

    No, this guy is a nutjob.

    As far as the law goes, even here in Tennessee, you do NOT have the legal right to kill a domestic animal that is wandering on your property. Not even humanely. If you're attacked, yes, that falls under self defense, but not for trespassing, unless you're a farmer and the animal is causing damage or threatening your stock.

    The forensic evidence would seem to suggest that the dog was off the property and running away when attacked with the machete. Kind of like shooting someone in the back.
     
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    That guy... Wow... He could easily have used the flat of the blade instead. I know it's his property, but that's just insanely messed up. And then to just let it stagger back home and die? Something's seriously wrong...

    I would, however, agree that the owner of the dog needs to keep his pets on a leash or on his property. As awful as the incident was and as much as I think the attacker needs mental help, it was his property. And there's not really a way to prove that the dog didn't lunge at him with bared teeth. I'd find it very hard to believe in this case, but if that were actually the case, I think I would swing whatever I was carrying at it, too. (Though I think I'd try to use the flat of the blade...)

    EDIT: Renee, if that's the case (that the dog were struck while running away) I think this guy needs help. A lot. In a padded cell.
    Kidding. But not really...
     
  8. sparks19

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    No the dog wasn't asking for it. I feel awful for the poor dog :(

    But I also have to wonder about the owners sensibility when just after auch a horrific eent he continues to take the other dog out off leash. I worry for THAT dog. That is really all I am saying. Once is an accident but to continue to let a second dog off lead is just asking for trouble and I really don't want to hear if that dog ends up being next

    But there is absolutely no denial from
    Me that this nutjob with the machete needs to be locked up. He is a danger to more than just the dogs. Heck... I would be keeping kids on a leasb in that neighborhood
     
  9. Renee750il

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    I'm not big on off-leash, but there are people whose dogs are trained well and can walk off leash. I don't know if that's the case there or not.

    Would I have mine on leash? Oh HELL yes.

    Of course, with the cameras running it's a pretty safe bet that dude isn't going to charge out with the machete. Although they may have been hoping he would . . .
     
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    Most of the injuries where to the dogs back/hindquarters. There was one to the face but it wasn't anywhere as deep or horrible looking as the back ones. So I'm kind of lead to believe the dog wasn't even facing him for the majority of the attack.

    Also in the video you can see the blood trail. It starts in the middle of the street and not a yard/person's property.
     
  11. Kat09Tails

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    First off I can start a net rumor with a sentence. There is no proof anyone killed anything except this dog.

    As far as the dog asking for it... how many of us have had dogs who were "sweet as can be" with their owners not so sweet when their owners aren't there? We don't know if that dog was aggressive or not. I do know now he was an unaltered male dog who jumped the fence to "be with a female dog" according to his owner. Being aggressive and a little humpy isn't out of the question.

    As far as using a machete - it isn't pretty but in a pinch you use what you have at hand. I see no proof this guy chased down anything. The only thing I do have proof of was the dog wasn't in the yard, and the dog is dead due to machete. I see no evidence that either of them are liars on either side of this from their point of view so all I'm left with is the evidence at hand.

    I too hope my neighbors are pet lovers enough that they would never use a machete on a dog. I also hope that I'm a good enough neighbor that I never put them in a position to have the thought run through their mind.
     
  12. sparks19

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    I understand there are dogs that are good off leash but why would any reasonable person risk that after one of their dogs was just hacked to death by a neighbor? There is no way I would let dog #2 have even a sniff of an opportunity of getting out of my sight.

    I really do fear dog #2 will be next if the authorities decide to do nothing.
     
  13. goldiefur

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    The way I look at it is you have to keep your dog on a leash and your cats inside because they have people out there that hate animals with a passion and are just waiting for an opportunity to kill a animal. It took me 30 some odd years to realize this because I met a puke bag that feels like this about pit bulls and has said he is just waiting for the day for one to cross his path so he can blow it's head off innocent or not. Nothing personally had happened to him or his family he is just a nut job that hates pit bulls but it was a huge wake up call to me.

    It would be very hard for me to even hit a dog until it was actually biting me or my family or pets. There is no way I would want to kill it unless it was an absolute dire situation. I do have to say I was raised with plenty of dogs since the day I was born and I can read them like a book I know if a dog is scared, wanting to attack or just plain barking and I do understand that some people can't read them and have irrational fear of dogs. Since the woman came forward about finding her dalmation hacked up I think they are dealing with a freak that just wants to kill animals. I believe she lives across the street from Mijo.
     
  14. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Very sad, but why was the dog just wandering around the streets?

    Eta - if anyone did that to my dog, they would suffer. I'd kill them. I'm just not sure why they were able to get the opportunity :(
     
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    No, I'm not buying the 'slipped lead' Really? He slipped the lead and dude didn't follow or try to catch him? It was only at the end of his street.........come on :rolleyes: What's the first thing any of us would do if our dog slipped the lead? Go back in the house for a cold beverage and rest?

    News report said it wasn't the first time in the neighbor's yard either.

    Siding with the machete sicko? Um.....no, I think EVERYONE agrees he's a monster who needs mental help. I am just beyond sick of so many in this country who don't see to THEIR OWN responsibilities and then cry foul as soon as it goes wrong.

    Let your cat roam free if you like. Let your dog roam free as well. Be prepared to step up and take the consequences though, no finger pointing, no law suits and whining. This owner is NOT a victim.......the only victim is the poor dog. Period.


    :hail::hail: Oh I think authorities need to take note and keep an eye on him for sure!
     
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    You know, I've read several responses to this effect, and they've been bothering me but I haven't been able to put my finger on it until this morning. So, not picking on you particularly but just happened to have my moment after reading your post.

    The thing is... yes, the dog shouldn't have been loose. Yes, the dog had been in the neighbor's yard before. And yes, it's the owner's responsibility to keep his dog contained, but... the dog wasn't taken away by AC, or accidentally hit by a car, or someone thought it was a stray and kept it, it was pursued and hacked to death with a machete. (And yes I believe the location of the blood trail and wounds suggest the dog was hit "going" so to speak.)

    We don't jail people for 20 years for jaywalking. We don't execute them for smoking pot. And it is just flat out, crazy wrong to kill a dog with a machete for coming into your yard and yes, I have a LOT of sympathy for the owner even if it was his "fault" because what happened was waaaaaaay outside of any kind of consequence that any normal, reasonable person might expect. Just imagine finding your dog like that and tell me again you don't have any sympathy for the guy because IT WAS HIS FAULT THE DOG WAS LOOSE!!!11!!1 Jesus.

    The neighbor is crazy and a menace to society. The End.
     
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    This this this.

    Yes I'm sure it was horrific for him to find his dog that way. If he had learned any kind of lesson I might feel a bit more sympathy for him yet here he is still letting his other dog walk around off lead. Will you feel bad for him if the second dog ends up the same way?
     
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    I can most definitely tell you again and again and again......I do not have sympathy for anyone who slacks their responsibilities and then boo hoos when it comes back to bite them in the arse, especially when they've had ample warnings and time to fix mistakes before tragedy strikes. I have sympathy for the dog, tons of sympathy for the dog, but not one ounce for this owner who has repeatedly let the dog run loose.

    And yes, crazy neighbor is CRAZY and needs to be watched at the very least.

    To equate: I have neighbors across the way who let their tiny children 'run loose' We are talking 2-3 year olds, TODDLERS. Mom & dad party all night and sleep all day.......kids let themselves outside and roam. They have been returned home BUCK NAKED by officers from around the corner. Police have been called by the mail carrier because the kids followed her and wouldn't stay in the yard. I have went over and pounded on the door because one of them was STANDING on the satellite dish 2 stories high....IN THE RAIN! I could keep listing instances, but you get the idea.

    When/if something horrible happens to one or more of those children I will feel TERRIBLE for the kid. He!!, I feel terrible for the kids NOW. Authorities don't seem to care or do anything. But I will flat out say right now.........NO SYMPATHY for those parents..........NONE. They will be on the news crying saying "I just looked away for a minute......" Pfffffffffffffffft. No sympathy.
     
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    I feel bad for anyone who loses someone they love. Even if it was "their fault", and even if I think they should have done things differently... it is still sad, isn't it?

    ETA: I mean, there's a difference between using this as a lesson in or illustration of why it's so important to keep your dog controlled, and essentially saying "welp, that guy deserved it, no sympathy." I dunno.
     
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