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I understood it that she's using condoms but if it doesn't work she'll use an abortion. Which, honestly, I don't think is that horrible. It's not like she doesn't use any birth control then decides to have abortions when she gets pregnant. Condoms, used correctly, are better birth control than pills, as far as I'm concerned (because really, as people said, pills are a pain in the ass to take).

But I'm confused about the emergency BC thing. There's the morning after pill but it works only the morning after (doh).

Anyway, it doesn't seem to be the same situation at all. One clearly doesn't want kids, the other did and didn't use birth control. Apples and oranges.
 

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* Just to butt in for a minute: Plan B (Or the morning after pill) can be taken within 120 hours of unprotected vaginal intercourse.
It gets less effective the longer you wait, but regardless, it's better then just hoping lol

and I hardly see anything ridiculous about DD's post. I mean, misplaced..sure.. but everybody else was stating their BC methods/failings/plans so it's hardly from left field
Her method/idea is the same as many many many women and sorry if you guys would rather not hear it but hey, not everyone wants or is ready for a child and being as safe as possible and having a plan in case that mistake happens is responsible.

it's the same plan I'm on. I fight tooth and nail for pregnancy NOT to happen (condoms, birth control, morning after etc..), but if it did I would be getting an abortion. Like it or not it is part of my "birth control plan".. birth control..controlling my body to not give birth. simple as that. It doesn't mean it's as simple or readily used as the pill (which would be ridiculous because it's an expensive invasive procedure) but it means it is part of the plan, a well informed decision I made just in case something DOES happen.

There is no "oh but if you do this,this and this, then you can get an abortion and it's ok" ..regardless of what you did before or how you got pregnant, as long as it's a well informed decision you want to take, it's ok. People need to get that it's not up to the peanut gallery to decide when it's permissible for a woman to want to get an abortion.. it's up to the woman herself and her doctor. You wouldn't do it? You would feel bad? You don't like it? Fine. Don't get one. Nobody is telling you to.

Sorry I don't want to act properly shameful enough about a procedure on my body to appease some people but that's the honest truth and I'm not ashamed of it by any means. Certainly not going to call it the A-word, it's not a dirty word!
and neither should anyone else who happens to be reading this or who knows they can't handle a child and would need to make an informed decision and know all their options if an accidental pregnancy occurred.

and if somebody wanders onto this thread who is pregnant/is scared she is and needs some info about anything sex related: Planned parenthood has a hotline you can call with someone to help you determine what you want to do and answer your questions about anything! Pregnancy, STD's, Pre-natal care, etc..etc..

Sexual Health Counseling and Referral Hotline
(617) 616-1616
or toll-free
(800) 258-4448 option #3
 
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* Just to butt in for a minute: Plan B (Or the morning after pill) can be taken within 120 hours of unprotected vaginal intercourse.
It gets less effective the longer you wait, but regardless, it's better then just hoping lol

and I hardly see anything ridiculous about DD's post. I mean, misplaced..sure.. but everybody else was stating their BC methods/failings/plans so it's hardly from left field
Her method/idea is the same as many many many women and sorry if you guys would rather not hear it but hey, not everyone wants or is ready for a child and being as safe as possible and having a plan in case that mistake happens is responsible.

it's the same plan I'm on. I fight tooth and nail for pregnancy NOT to happen (condoms, birth control, morning after etc..), but if it did I would be getting an abortion. Like it or not it is part of my "birth control plan".. birth control..controlling my body to not give birth. simple as that. It doesn't mean it's as simple or readily used as the pill (which would be ridiculous because it's an expensive invasive procedure) but it means it is part of the plan, a well informed decision I made just in case something DOES happen.

There is no "oh but if you do this,this and this, then you can get an abortion and it's ok" ..regardless of what you did before or how you got pregnant, as long as it's a well informed decision you want to take, it's ok. People need to get that it's not up to the peanut gallery to decide when it's permissible for a woman to want to get an abortion.. it's up to the woman herself and her doctor. You wouldn't do it? You would feel bad? You don't like it? Fine. Don't get one. Nobody is telling you to.

Sorry I don't want to act properly shameful enough about a procedure on my body to appease some people but that's the honest truth and I'm not ashamed of it by any means. Certainly not going to call it the A-word, it's not a dirty word!
and neither should anyone else who happens to be reading this or who knows they can't handle a child and would need to make an informed decision and know all their options if an accidental pregnancy occurred.

and if somebody wanders onto this thread who is pregnant/is scared she is and needs some info about anything sex related: Planned parenthood has a hotline you can call with someone to help you determine what you want to do and answer your questions about anything! Pregnancy, STD's, Pre-natal care, etc..etc..

Sexual Health Counseling and Referral Hotline
(617) 616-1616
or toll-free
(800) 258-4448 option #3
:hail: I can't do hormone based birth control right now..I get severe headaches when I'm on the pill, I don't feel good all the time. I have PCOS and am trying to get all that sorted out, and once I do I will try some different options...but for now, condoms are it. If they were to fail, I would terminate, plain and simple. I would not be a good mother, I am terrified of child birth...regardless of my reasons, termination IS a back up. It's not something I take lightly, however, I will never give birth to a child.
 

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* Just to butt in for a minute: Plan B (Or the morning after pill) can be taken within 120 hours of unprotected vaginal intercourse.
It gets less effective the longer you wait, but regardless, it's better then just hoping lol

and I hardly see anything ridiculous about DD's post. I mean, misplaced..sure.. but everybody else was stating their BC methods/failings/plans so it's hardly from left field
Her method/idea is the same as many many many women and sorry if you guys would rather not hear it but hey, not everyone wants or is ready for a child and being as safe as possible and having a plan in case that mistake happens is responsible.

it's the same plan I'm on. I fight tooth and nail for pregnancy NOT to happen (condoms, birth control, morning after etc..), but if it did I would be getting an abortion. Like it or not it is part of my "birth control plan".. birth control..controlling my body to not give birth. simple as that. It doesn't mean it's as simple or readily used as the pill (which would be ridiculous because it's an expensive invasive procedure) but it means it is part of the plan, a well informed decision I made just in case something DOES happen.

There is no "oh but if you do this,this and this, then you can get an abortion and it's ok" ..regardless of what you did before or how you got pregnant, as long as it's a well informed decision you want to take, it's ok. People need to get that it's not up to the peanut gallery to decide when it's permissible for a woman to want to get an abortion.. it's up to the woman herself and her doctor. You wouldn't do it? You would feel bad? You don't like it? Fine. Don't get one. Nobody is telling you to.

Sorry I don't want to act properly shameful enough about a procedure on my body to appease some people but that's the honest truth and I'm not ashamed of it by any means. Certainly not going to call it the A-word, it's not a dirty word!
and neither should anyone else who happens to be reading this or who knows they can't handle a child and would need to make an informed decision and know all their options if an accidental pregnancy occurred.

and if somebody wanders onto this thread who is pregnant/is scared she is and needs some info about anything sex related: Planned parenthood has a hotline you can call with someone to help you determine what you want to do and answer your questions about anything! Pregnancy, STD's, Pre-natal care, etc..etc..

Sexual Health Counseling and Referral Hotline
(617) 616-1616
or toll-free
(800) 258-4448 option #3
A round of applause for Fran here.
 

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Oh trust me. I am very Pro choice and have nothing against abortion AT ALL.

I am against people using it as emergency birth control and being glib about it as if it carries NO consequences at all. Abortion is not something women can and should take lightly. It is an invasive and life altering procedure and even if she didn't mean it "that way" she shouldn't write stuff like this on a forum where many young and impressionable women lurk.
 

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:hail: I can't do hormone based birth control right now..I get severe headaches when I'm on the pill, I don't feel good all the time. I have PCOS and am trying to get all that sorted out, and once I do I will try some different options...but for now, condoms are it. If they were to fail, I would terminate, plain and simple. I would not be a good mother, I am terrified of child birth...regardless of my reasons, termination IS a back up. It's not something I take lightly, however, I will never give birth to a child.
Ditto, minus having PCOS. I did the pill for years, can't do it anymore.. have been off of it since June. I have always said if for some strange reason (SO & I are SUPER careful) I were to get pregnant, I'd get an abortion. I have zero interest in having kids, and actually, I plan on getting a tubal within the next year (trying to let my body chill out from all the years on BC before I do something else).


And great post Fran!
 

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I find abortion to be disgusting.... BUT, I don't think that my opinion should be law. If another woman wants an abortion, I think she should be able to get one. The only ones that I personally feel should be made illegal are late term abortions, and after so many abortions, a woman should be offered the option of being sterilized. Jmo.
 

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Luckily we don't have laws dictating who can and cannot provide a proper life for a child either.

I believe abortions are the responsible reaction for those caught unaware and unable, unwilling, or not desiring children. No child should be born into a family who does not want it and there are far more stories with far less romantic feel good endings than shared here of children born into poverty.

I may want children one day but right now we dipped down from two well paying jobs to live off one paycheck with a second part time job, four dogs, in a tiny loft apartment, and having a baby right now would be a terrible choice to make and because of that I would avoid it at all costs.

To each their own until it is endangering others.
 

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Luckily we don't have laws dictating who can and cannot provide a proper life for a child either.

I believe abortions are the responsible reaction for those caught unaware and unable, unwilling, or not desiring children. No child should be born into a family who does not want it and there are far more stories with far less romantic feel good endings than shared here of children born into poverty.
Exactly.

The amount of women who are pregnant and in major financial troubles (and they post freely about it, not like anyone is forcing them to disclose their bank statements) on various forums I go to seriously freaks me out.. why on earth would you want to bring a child into the world if you can't even take care of yourself?!
 

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I find it disturbing from reading the last two pages or so , the implications are , if you are poor
You should not have kids and have abortions if you do get pregnant. Wow.
 

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I find it disturbing from reading the last two pages or so , the implications are , if you are poor
You should not have kids and have abortions if you do get pregnant. Wow.
Oh, so you read into it what you wanted? Neat!

I believe it was stated that the inability to get by on your own should NOT be an invitation to bare youth.

The mentality of come what will is all good and fine when it's adults, when children are involved it is not the responsible choice.

Not all of us are comfortable with the reality of raising children in a life without.
 

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I find it disturbing from reading the last two pages or so , the implications are , if you are poor
You should not have kids and have abortions if you do get pregnant. Wow.
?? that's really not what I'm reading at all.

Moral of the story from my point of view: If you do not want kids, you should not have them.
and of course the simple fact of.. part of being a parent (a responsible one) is recognizing the time, energy and money it takes to raise a child. It means being unselfish, putting this child above yourself, and sometimes that means not planning to have a child (even if you want one) because you KNOW you are not in a place to afford one and give him/her a comfortable life.

Nobody is saying poor people should not have children! Families come in all shapes, sizes and incomes!
What makes the responsible is putting their children's needs above their own. And that means, if you are planning for a child, to take a step back and REALLY think about the price of that choice.
 

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Exactly.

The amount of women who are pregnant and in major financial troubles (and they post freely about it, not like anyone is forcing them to disclose their bank statements) on various forums I go to seriously freaks me out.. why on earth would you want to bring a child into the world if you can't even take care of yourself?!
^This!! Awesome post.
 

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Moral of the story from my point of view: If you do not want kids, you should not have them.
and of course the simple fact of.. part of being a parent (a responsible one) is recognizing the time, energy and money it takes to raise a child. It means being unselfish, putting this child above yourself, and sometimes that means not planning to have a child (even if you want one) because you KNOW you are not in a place to afford one and give him/her a comfortable life.

Nobody is saying poor people should not have children! Families come in all shapes, sizes and incomes!
What makes the responsible is putting their children's needs above their own. And that means, if you are planning for a child, to take a step back and REALLY think about the price of that choice.
Agreed. Parenting is THE most important thing a person will ever do. Far too many people don't take that seriously enough.
 

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This thread had gotten COMPLETELY off track, but I want to say something a little more on track to Barbara:

You said the reason Josh doesn't want you to have to sell some things is because it makes him feel like he's failed as a provider. You need to let Josh know that being a provider, especially when a little one is on the way, doesn't mean having a great job bringing in enough money to have no problems with the bills ever. It means doing whatever it takes to make sure the baby is safe, and taken care of, and right now, that's going to mean so that you have as little stress as possible financially. And that's going to mean sometimes Josh needs to swallow his pride and his dignity and man the heck up and sell the expensive camera and whatever else he's too proud to sell so that the rent gets paid and the bills get paid.
 

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Just to be clear, I really hope that statements like this:

The amount of women who are pregnant and in major financial troubles (and they post freely about it, not like anyone is forcing them to disclose their bank statements) on various forums I go to seriously freaks me out.. why on earth would you want to bring a child into the world if you can't even take care of yourself?!
Have stemmed simply from the off topic conversation of poor people and children and isn't somehow implying that *I* am one of these poor women that shouldn't be trying to have a baby. I don't know if it is, and I hope it's not, but it is worth addressing.

I'm not poor. ;) I'm having a financial crisis that happened when we had a "snowball" of problems accumulate... It's not like this all the time, I can assure anyone here of that. In a few months, we will be all the way caught up and it is a shame that these issues sparked during the beginning of my pregnancy. Luckily we have 9 months prep time and babies don't just fly out in a couple weeks!
 

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Motherhood is not for everybody. The sad thing is, many people don't figure that out until they are a mother. A lot of people say that motherhood is a difficult but worthwhile experience to have for all women. That women will naturally love being one. So women who become pregnant will convince themselves that motherhood is something that they will love doing, despite the hard work. Google "I hate being a mother" and you will find many women who feel as though their life came to an end after they had a baby. Googling it will be the only way to see that perspective because in our society, it is look down upon for women to hate motherhood so it is not something that will be openly talk about. The anonymity of the internet gives a women a chance to vent their feelings without fear of backlash in real life. I think every girl should read this other perspective because so many people have this idea that motherhood is something all women will love.

I believe that society is moving in a direction where more and more women are not motherhood material. What I mean we live in a time where women are enlighten, we can have careers, we don't need a man to take care of us. We have expectations for our lives now where before we were all expected to stay at home and have kids and many of us didn't even have a proper education. Its easier to fall into motherhood when you don't know what your missing out on. Now women know what they are missing, now we want to accomplish more things and having a child will make doing just that extremely complicated. In societies where women have the same right to work as men, the birth rate is decreasing dramatically to the point where some advance countries are actually paying people to have children. Less develop countries where women aren't equal still have a very high birth rate. Being just a mother is not something girls want to be now.

I believe that when you have a child, you should be willing to give a large part of your life for them. That child should be your top priority. Unfortunately, many women just can't do that. I love kids, just love them, but I'm too selfish to have one. I'm a career women. I'm going to college, I'm going to pursue my dreams, I'm going live for me. If I had a baby right now I would probably be resentful. Resentful that my plans will be made much harder now that I have someone who is entirely dependent on me. That is not fair. That is not fair to the child I bring into this world. Children need to be given constant attention, constant guidance, constant care. If you neglect that, than you screwed up a life. That child will grow up to an adult with so many problems.

My cousin had a baby girl when she was 17. She was not ready to become a mother. She had a life of her own. She was going to the military, she was young and pretty and did not want to miss out on the party life. My niece would spend days to months moving from aunty to aunty when my cousin had to do military training, or she had somewhere important to go. Many people don't realize that a baby could be emotionally damage in their young years. I went to family reunion, the girl was two, and I notice that every time my cousin went out the door for something, my niece would start crying hysterically. The poor girl got use to her mother leaving and she wasn't sure whether she would be back in a day or months. At the age of three y cousin went for three months for more military training and my niece was sent to another state to live with another aunty. After my cousin got back, she didn't go get her daughter. She started enjoying her young life, going to parties, hanging with friends, getting a job. My niece ended up staying with my aunty and haven't seen her mother in so long. I think she is better off with my aunty, but no doubt about it my niece is going to grow up with some serious emotional issues because of this. My cousin was not ready to give up much of her life for her child. She was too selfish. Her child payed the price for it.

That is why, whenever I hear of someone not planning on being pregnant become pregnant, I feel that person should really think whether or not they should keep that child. Whether by abortion or adoption, whichever one, if your not ready for a child, it is best NOT to have one. This is a whole life you are bringing into this word. A screwed up childhood will affect a person for the rest of their life. You have to ask yourself are your ready to give yourself up for a child.
 

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I won't lie, every single time I hear of smart, well to do, moral, ethical, respectable people choosing not to have children I think of the beginning of Idiocracy. It haunts me.
 

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