jesus' wife

Discussion in 'The Fire Hydrant' started by Pops2, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. Pops2

    Pops2 New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2008
    Messages:
    3,072
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    none
    Location:
    UT
  2. Renee750il

    Renee750il Felurian

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2003
    Messages:
    94,266
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    3, Bimmer, GSDX (m); Kharma, Fila Brasileiro (f);
    Location:
    Where the selas blooms
    Home Page:
    I really don't see why it would matter -- unless someone is clinging to the misogynistic overtones of biblical (as filtered by the early Roman Catholic church) Christianity.

    Always kinda thought Sam Kinnison had a good point about Jesus not being married though ;)
     
  3. ACooper

    ACooper Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2007
    Messages:
    27,771
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Location:
    IN
    I think there are many factors that go along with the possibility of Jesus having a wife. For instance, a child or children coming of that marriage. I've heard and debated stories/theories about the 'Holy Vessel' that was smuggled out actually being His child. *side note* Whether you believe Jesus was the Son of God or not, imagine being able to trace your lineage back to him.

    Certain groups have pointed to Jesus to support NOT being married. I'm sure if it's proven He WAS married, there are plenty of groups that will point to Him for that as well.

    I for one have no issues believing Jesus married and produced children during is 33 years. That is a MAJOR part of the 'human experience' IMO and one I don't see being skipped over during His time here.

    At the same time, I do not in any way think that small scrap of papyrus proves a didly thing. It may not even be talking about "the" Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth was not/is not the only Jesus in the world. That scrap could be a big fraud/forgery. Such a small piece could even be taken out of context. *shrugs*

    It is upsetting to think of what was deliberately lost as far as texts go simply because it didn't fit their agenda to include and/or preserve. So very sad :(
     
  4. Psyfalcon

    Psyfalcon Fishies!

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2006
    Messages:
    2,434
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Dog, Dog, Cat, Fish
    Location:
    Oregon
    If he was married, why is it not in the bible? Parts have been added and removed over time, what was their motivation at the time? How has that filtered into modern interpretation?

    Catholic Priests and remaining unmarried. If Jesus of all... people... was married, you're going to say marriage is a distraction from the church?
     
  5. Greenmagick

    Greenmagick New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2011
    Messages:
    3,199
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    9 not counting ducks, chickens, and fish
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Whole chunks are missing from the bible. And was written, and edited, and edited, and edited.....

    Honestly, when I did still consider myself catholic I always believed he was married. Many of my catholic teachers taught that it was a possibility as well
     
  6. sillysally

    sillysally Obey the Toad.

    Joined:
    Sep 20, 2008
    Messages:
    5,074
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 dogs, 2 cats, 2 birds, and 1 horse
    Location:
    A hole in the bottom of the sea.
    Christ did refer to the Church as His bride, so I wonder if it could be a reference to that? It's difficult to judge without seeing the context or knowing of it's authenticity. It doesn't matter to me personally if He were married-it makes just as much sense for Him to be married as to not.
     
  7. Puckstop31

    Puckstop31 Super-Genius

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    5,847
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    4 (2 dogs, 1 Guniea Pig, 1 Mouse)
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA, USA
    Home Page:
    There is very solid evidence that the scriptures we read today were written before 62 AD. I could go on about the issues of the Bible being "edited and rewritten", but that's not the point. :)

    The New Testament says nothing about Jesus having a wife. It never mentions his wife, nor that he was unmarried. In fact, whenever the New Testament refers to Jesus natural relatives, it speaks only of his father, mother, and siblings, but never of a wife. Again, knowing we have solid evidence that the scruiptures we read today were written before 62 AD, why omit such a profound thing?
     
  8. AdrianneIsabel

    AdrianneIsabel Glutton for Crazy

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    8,893
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    2 Pit bulls and 2 Malinois, We like to stay busy.
    Location:
    Portland, Oregon
    Home Page:
    I feel it would solve a lot of issues....

    I agree.

    It's interesting, not life altering. To me though the bible is a novel. I was raised Catholic but have no attachment to religion.
     
  9. Fran101

    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2008
    Messages:
    12,547
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Boston
    Atheist here so I'm not too familiar with this kind of thing but I was curious, those who do believe in the bible and or Christians or those of similar faith... how do you think of Jesus in general? Like, how would you describe him if he were a friend or somebody you knew for example?

    :) if it's too personal or whatever feel free to ignore this.. but I just think learning about other people's faith is interesting!
     
  10. JoLeigh

    JoLeigh New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2010
    Messages:
    581
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Greenville SC

    That was one of y initial thoughts but in the script I heard it named a woman
     
  11. Greenmagick

    Greenmagick New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2011
    Messages:
    3,199
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    9 not counting ducks, chickens, and fish
    Location:
    St. Louis, MO
    Well, and the Bible skips over a huge chunk of his life.....when he would likely be getting married and starting a family in that time period.
     
  12. sparks19

    sparks19 I'd rather be at Disney

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2005
    Messages:
    28,563
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Occupation:
    3
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA
    Home Page:
    It isn't a matter of IF he were a friend or someone i know. He IS a friend and someone I know.

    I describe him as a good "man" who would give of himself for anyone friend or foe. Someone who loves completely and puts others above himself. The ultimate philanthropist. My savior.

    Just as a start
     
  13. Lyzelle

    Lyzelle New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2012
    Messages:
    2,826
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Colorado
    The Bible has been edited several times, and one major time was strictly on the subject of Jesus's humanity...so it's very possible he had a wife or children and it was omitted to further push his divinity. And the Bible certainly does omit a huge portion of his life, and immediately thereafter. For example, there's several decades between his death and the first book. Just missing. There's no inbetween about "how Christianity was spread after this one guy died in history". Just happened, apparently, with several missing decades in the middle. That would be the perfect time for kids to have come after him, grow, create their own history, etc.

    I think he was a man. Nothing more. If he had a wife and children, or a woman and children, as is more likely, then I wouldn't care.
     
  14. Romy

    Romy Taxiderpy

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2006
    Messages:
    10,234
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Olympia, WA
    My mom and I always figured he was probably married. People called him "rabbi". In that culture, that was a very specific title and you couldn't become a rabbi if you were an unmarried man. Not to mention, a never married 30-something year old man was something of an abomination. It's more like, if he was single that is something that would have been commented on just for being more out of the ordinary.

    Some of the personal interactions it describes between him and Mary Magdalene, especially the role she plays in preparing his body for burial, makes me wonder if she wasn't his wife.

    As for who he is, in my eyes? He's the best big brother evah! Kinda hard to describe with words, but I'll think about it some more.
     
  15. Puckstop31

    Puckstop31 Super-Genius

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    5,847
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    4 (2 dogs, 1 Guniea Pig, 1 Mouse)
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA, USA
    Home Page:
    Would you mind presenting your evidence for this please? Because there is a great deal of evidence that supports the Bible as we read it to today to be THE text as it was written.

    'The Da Vinci Code' stuff has been debunked, many times over.
     
  16. Danefied

    Danefied New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,722
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    One husband of 15 years
    Location:
    Southeast
    How could it possibly be THE text as many times as it has been translated and re-written??
    Even bible scholars agree on that one. Yes I have links, off to get them :)
     
  17. release the hounds

    release the hounds Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2008
    Messages:
    4,381
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    7
    Location:
    Midwest
    I learned in 1st grade that stories change drastically each time they're told. The bible is no different, nor are the stories contained in it. I learned that things lose and change meanings each time they're translated into new languages and into new cultures around the world. I also know that bible isn't in its first edition or print. I know that I can go pick up quite a few bibles today from various groups and they will all be different.
     
  18. Puckstop31

    Puckstop31 Super-Genius

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    5,847
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    4 (2 dogs, 1 Guniea Pig, 1 Mouse)
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA, USA
    Home Page:
    It always facinates me when self described secular humanists react with glee when trying to disprove something they do not even believe.

    This said... Yes, yes it has been translated. But we have about 9000 copies of various whole and partial Greek New Testament manuscripts. Properly translated we get the inspired Word of God. Further, the manuscripts are way too consistent to have been edited, in the context of this discussion. THAT meaning a base modern reason for not believing the scriptures is "because its just a story changed by men". I'm not going to convince you, you are not going to convince me. Why? Because its more than just words in a book.

    But most of all.... When you just read it... You understand. But it requires the open mind that is so dear to our modern secular society. The concept that there are reasons for all those rules God gave to us.
     
  19. Puckstop31

    Puckstop31 Super-Genius

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2005
    Messages:
    5,847
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    4 (2 dogs, 1 Guniea Pig, 1 Mouse)
    Location:
    Lancaster, PA, USA
    Home Page:
    Indeed... Take the "New World Translation" for instance. That is the Jehovah's Witness version. It is SO full of holes and was clearly re-written in the context of this thread. But it was re-written by a person who had poor English grammar and VERY poor Greek grammar. (Yes, my grammer stinks too, thats not the point. LOL)

    Now, take the King James and the versions directly translated from it. People with good Greek grammar can go and prove that the English versions translated from KJV are accurate to the Greek manuscripts we have. Further, those Greek manuscripts are consistent and go as far back as 400 AD.
     
  20. Fran101

    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2008
    Messages:
    12,547
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Location:
    Boston
    I think it's so cool that people have such an intimate relationship with their religion/Jesus. I always thought it was a very formal thing but describing him as a friend is really interesting

    For some reason that religion was never something that really worked for me and it's not something I believe.. but still, Jesus sounds like a pretty cool dude from your descriptions lol

    Sorry for the thread-jack, I really have nothing to say about the bible. Don't know if it's edited or not or where it came from or what it's doing.. don't really care to be honest. Real or not real, people find inspiration from it. Good people see good in it and do good and bad people find bad and use it to hurt people.. it's a book. Edited or no, it creates change and causes people to act. It's what those actions are that matters to me. Not the book itself. Wether it's "real or not" doesn't matter, it's real in it's effects and the lives it has changed.

    I am going to refrain from comparing it to Harry Potter but it's the best example of what I feel that I can think of lol The book may be fiction but it has affected my life in very real ways.. how I treat people, how I think, dream, love, lessons I've learned, things I can relate to, how I speak, how I see the world.. etc..
    so doesn't that make it pretty real anyway?

    Regardless of how much the bible has been edited or where it came from.. it's real in what it does to people and how they react to it. So yea, if it's real to someone and they feel it's real and true to it's words..then I respect that.
     

Share This Page