Is my APBT pup "showable?"

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  1. caseyolee

    caseyolee Border Collies R' Us

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    I didn't really know where to put this, so it might get moved....

    I'm considering showing my Pit Bull pup when she gets older. I breed Border Collies, so I'm not real familiar with APBT confo...not yet anyways. I have been reading, but need to read more on the show standards and such. I think she would also make a great breeding prospect. Her tempernment is what really makes me want to breed her someday. I also think she is put together nicely (confo wise) and she is just as smart as my Border Collies. I'm also going to train her for agility b/c she has as much energy as a BC

    She's only 4 months old, so I have a LONG while to decide if she's breedable. She is also going to mature physically of course and her confo and muscles look nicer each week.

    Here are some pictures, tell me what you think about her. I'd like to know why you think she's showable, or why not, and what you don't like about her or what you do like about her.

    THanks!
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  2. Richie12345

    Richie12345 Active Member

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    I don't think you can show a APBT, I'm not even sure if it's been recognized by the American Kennel Club. Sorry, I can't be much help... I'll try searching google for some answers
     
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    EliNHunter New Member

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    Here's a link to the AKC's recognized breeds. Is a pit bull the same as a Staffordshire Terrier? If so, looks like it's recognized...

    http://www.akc.org/breeds/breeds_a.cfm

    You can look up the breed standard on that site, if so.
     
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    Richie12345 Active Member

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    Oh, sorry, cute pup tho
     
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    Cute dog :)
    You can show any dog, even a mixed breed.. it all just depends on the show youre going to.
    Sprout isnt AKC standards, and hes un-papered, but I still show him in 4-H shows and little open shows for anyone to go to :)
     
  6. Adrienne

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    Pits can be shown in the UKC and the ADBA...my pit is cross registered as an amstaff with the AKC and a pit with the ADBA and the UKC. She looks beautiful but a little young to judge whether she is show quality or not yet.
     
  7. wildwings811

    wildwings811 a.k.a: agilitydobemom

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    Is your puppy registered if she is than you could show with that registry in coformation as far as agility goes APBT's are great at it and she don't have to be registered to show in agility:)
     
  8. caseyolee

    caseyolee Border Collies R' Us

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    I know about breed registries and showing BLAH BLAH...I'm asking more about the dogs confo and looks....is the dog itself showable. And you're right! The dog doesn't have to be registered to show in agility :)
     
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    I can't tell from the picture, are her ears half prick or rose?
     
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    juliefurry Rusty but Trusty

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    right now I think the pup is too young to tell. You should start taking your pup to shows and look at other pitbulls.
     
  11. EliNHunter

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    Gosh... sorry to waste your time :rolleyes:
     
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    Guess the reason we were giving you the BLAH BLAH info is you said "I'm considering SHOWING my Pit Bull Pup". Then said you're not real familiar with APBT confo (which conformation is a large part of "showing") and registration usually goes along with being able to show at a certain level or not (e.g. not 4-H or what have you). Therefore, the "BLAH BLAH" from the board...
     
  13. caseyolee

    caseyolee Border Collies R' Us

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    I didn't mean to offend any one, the BLAH BLAH was just me lol

    I just meant I know all about where I can show, and with what registries and such....BLAH :BLAH :)

    I've been showing dogs for years, but herding, not confo. Though I am VERY familiar with Border Collie confo.

    Could you explain the difference between half prick and rose ears?
     
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    EliNHunter New Member

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    I don't know about half prick/rose ears... but I'm glad you came back the way you did... thanks :)
     
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    I'm going to make an educated guess... (Pitty People chime in!).... My guess is a "Half Prick" is when you got an ear tipping over. And a "Rose" is when they're both standing straight??!!! :confused:
     
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    FIGURE 10A - Pic1 (photo credit Ruth Kramer Arkay Kennels) shows a dog with uncropped "half-prick" ears. The half-prick ear is a preferred shape and is not often recognized by judges even those very familiar with the APBT. Pic2 (photo credit Ruth Kramer Arkay Kennels) and pic3 (photo credit Candy from Colorado) are natural rose ears of different lengths this is a more common natural ear for the APBT. The natural ear in past standards was considered preferred over a cropped ear but because the common image of the APBT is with cropped ears even then excellent dogs with natural ears were often overlooked.
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    General Appearance

    The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium-sized, solidly built, short-coated dog with smooth, well-defined musculature. This breed is both powerful and athletic. The body is just slightly longer than tall, but bitches may be somewhat longer in body than dogs. The length of the front leg (measured from point of elbow to the ground) is approximately equal to one-half of the dog's height at the withers. The head is of medium length, with a broad, flat skull, and a wide, deep muzzle. Ears are small to medium in size, high set, and may be natural or cropped. The relatively short tail is set low, thick at the base and tapers to a point. The American Pit Bull Terrier comes in all colors and color patterns. This breed combines strength and athleticism with grace and agility and should never appear bulky or muscle-bound or fine-boned and rangy.
    Characteristics

    The essential characteristics of the American Pit Bull Terrier are strength, confidence, and zest for life. This breed is eager to please and brimming over with enthusiasm. APBTs make excellent family companions and have always been noted for their love of children. Because most APBTs exhibit some level of dog aggression and because of its powerful physique, the APBT requires an owner who will carefully socialize and obedience train the dog. The breed's natural agility makes it one of the most capable canine climbers so good fencing is a must for this breed. The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. Aggressive behavior toward humans is uncharacteristic of the breed and highly undesirable. This breed does very well in performance events because of its high level of intelligence and its willingness to work.
    The American Pit Bull Terrier has always been capable of doing a wide variety of jobs so exaggerations or faults should be penalized in proportion to how much they interfere with the dog's versatility.

    Head

    The APBT head is unique and a key element of breed type. It is large and broad, giving the impression of great power, but it is not disproportionate to the size of the body. Viewed from the front, the head is shaped like a broad, blunt wedge. When viewed from the side, the skull and muzzle are parallel to one another and joined by a well defined, moderately deep stop. Supraorbital arches over the eyes are well defined but not pronounced. The head is well chiseled, blending strength, elegance, and character.
    SKULL - The skull is large, flat or slightly rounded, deep, and broad between the ears. Viewed from the top, the skull tapers just slightly toward the stop. There is a deep median furrow that diminishes in depth from the stop to the occiput. Cheek muscles are prominent but free of wrinkles. When the dog is concentrating, wrinkles form on the forehead, which give the APBT his unique expression.

    MUZZLE - The muzzle is broad and deep with a very slight taper from the stop to the nose, and a slight falling away under the eyes. The length of muzzle is shorter than the length of skull, with a ratio of approximately 2:3. The topline of the muzzle is straight. The lower jaw is well developed, wide and deep. Lips are clean and tight.

    Faults: Snipey muzzle; flews; weak lower jaw.

    TEETH - The American Pit Bull Terrier has a complete set of evenly spaced, white teeth meeting in a scissors bite.

    Fault: Level bite.

    Serious Faults: Undershot, or overshot bite; wry mouth; missing teeth (this does not apply to teeth that have been lost or removed by a veterinarian).

    NOSE - The nose is large with wide, open nostrils. The nose may be any color.

    EYES - Eyes are medium size, round to almond-shaped, and set well apart and low on the skull. All colors are equally acceptable except blue, which is a serious fault. Haw should not be visible.

    Serious Faults: Bulging eyes; both eyes not matched in color; blue eyes.

    EARS - Ears are high set and may be natural or cropped without preference. If natural, semi-prick or rose are preferred. Prick or flat, wide ears are not desired.

    Neck

    The neck is of moderate length and muscular. There is a slight arch at the crest. The neck widens gradually from where it joins the skull to where it blends into well laid-back shoulders. The skin on the neck is tight and without dewlap.
    Faults: Neck too short and thick; thin or weak neck; ewe neck; dewlap.

    Forequarters

    The shoulder blades are long, wide, muscular, and well laid back. The upper arm is roughly equal in length to the shoulder blade and joins it at an apparent right angle.
    The forelegs are strong and muscular. The elbows are set close to the body. Viewed from the front, the forelegs are set moderately wide apart and perpendicular to the ground. The pasterns are short, powerful, straight, and flexible. When viewed in profile, the pasterns are nearly erect.

    Faults: Upright or loaded shoulders; elbows turned outward or tied-in; down at the pasterns; front legs bowed; wrists knuckled over; toeing in or out.

    Body

    The chest is deep, well filled in, and moderately wide with ample room for heart and lungs, but the chest should never be wider than it is deep. The forechest does not extend much beyond the point of shoulder. The ribs extend well back and are well sprung from the spine, then flattening to form a deep body extending to the elbows. The back is strong and firm. The topline inclines very slightly downward from the withers to a broad, muscular, level back. The loin is short, muscular and slightly arched to the top of the croup, but narrower than the rib cage and with a moderate tuck-up. The croup is slightly sloping downward.
     
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    Hindquarters

    The hindquarters are strong, muscular, and moderately broad. The rump is well filled in on each side of the tail and deep from the pelvis to the crotch. The bone, angulation, and musculature of the hindquarters are in balance with the forequarters. The thighs are well developed with thick, easily discerned muscles. Viewed from the side, the hock joint is well bent and the rear pasterns are well let down and perpendicular to the ground. Viewed from the rear, the rear pasterns are straight and parallel to one another.
    Faults: Narrow hindquarters; hindquarters shallow from pelvis to crotch; lack of muscle; straight or over angulated stifle joint; cow hocks; sickle hocks; bowed legs.

    Feet

    The feet are round, proportionate to the size of the dog, well arched, and tight. Pads are hard, tough, and well cushioned. Dewclaws may be removed.
    Fault: Splayed feet.

    Tail

    The tail is set on as a natural extension of the topline, and tapers to a point. When the dog is relaxed, the tail is carried low and extends approximately to the hock. When the dog is moving, the tail is carried level with the backline. When the dog is excited, the tail may be carried in a raised, upright position (challenge tail), but never curled over the back (gay tail).
    Fault: Long tail (tail tip passes beyond point of hock).

    Serious faults: Gay tail (not to be confused with challenge tail); kinked tail.

    Disqualification: Bobbed tail.

    Coat

    The coat is glossy and smooth, close, and moderately stiff to the touch.
    Faults: Curly, wavy, or sparse coat.

    Disqualification: Long coat.

    Color

    Any color, color pattern, or combination of colors is acceptable, except for merle.
    Disqualification: Merle
    Height and Weight

    The American Pit Bull Terrier must be both powerful and agile so actual weight and height are less important than the correct proportion of weight to height. Desirable weight for a mature male in good condition is between 35 and 60 pounds. Desirable weight for a mature female in good condition is between 30 and 50 pounds. Dogs over these weights are not to be penalized unless they are disproportionately massive or rangy.
    Gait

    The American Pit Bull Terrier moves with a jaunty, confident attitude, conveying the impression that he expects any minute to see something new and exciting. When trotting, the gait is effortless, smooth, powerful, and well coordinated, showing good reach in front and drive behind. When moving, the backline remains level with only a slight flexing to indicate suppleness. Viewed from any position, legs turn neither in nor out, nor do feet cross or interfere with each other. As speed increases, feet tend to converge toward center line of balance.
    Faults: Legs not moving on the same plane; legs over reaching; legs crossing over in front or rear; rear legs moving too close or touching; rolling; pacing; paddling; sidewinding; hackney action; pounding.

    Disqualifications

    Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Unilateral or bilateral deafness. Bobbed tail. Albinism. Merle.
    Note: Although some level of dog aggression is characteristic of this breed, handlers will be expected to comply with U.K.C. policy regarding dog temperament at U.K.C. events.
     
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    Wow.. great info! Was I "kinda" right about the "rose" ears? That being your second pic. I don't like that as much as the "half pricked" ears...
     
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    Neva with rose ears...

    Jedi with rose ears, Jedi couldn't be shown as he was DQ'd for a blue eye

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    Kinda right...half prick stand up more and rose lay over to the side a bit.
     

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