Is Hannah a midget?

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Perfect timing for that bit of information since by the weekend I would have been out buying her another bag of puppy food. You just saved me some money!
 

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juliefurry said:
That's what she eats I tried feeding her 2 cups (mixed with a quarter can of food) twice a day and she just acted like she was SO hungry that we gave her a little more at each feeding. If anything she seems skinny. You think I'm overfeeding her? I'll cut down her meals some than.
I can't say whether or not you're overfeeding her since I haven't seen the dog in person or even a good picture of her. And you may be feeding the right amount of food, it just seemed like a lot to me. Do the rib and backbone check; are they easily felt but not visible? I will admit that I have very little experience feeding puppies. All my dogs have been over a year of age when I got them.

Odd thing about feeding amounts: I tried increasing Sawyer's food by a 1/4 cup at each meal (he eats 1 1/2 cups 2 times a day) and he will eat what he's used to and leave the extra portion in his bowl. Go figure.
 

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Manchesters said:
Feed her as much as she will eat twice a day, or maybe 3 times a day. 4 1/2 cups a day is not enough. Try 3 cups plus 1/4 can of food twice or three times a day.
u cant feed a dog as much as wat they will eat, dogs eat all the time, this will lead to obesity. A dog that is very badly overweight is just as cruel as not feeding a dog, with the many heath problems that can occur with obesity, mainly the heart
 

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u cant feed a dog as much as wat they will eat, dogs eat all the time, this will lead to obesity. A dog that is very badly overweight is just as cruel as not feeding a dog, with the many heath problems that can occur with obesity, mainly the heart

I have to disagree with that. it is the general thought to feed a puppy as much as they will eat, at least 4 times a day. they do NOT over eat...IF they do gorge themselves then it may be another problem, such as worms. my dogs wouldn't consider overeating....they eat til they've had enough, and some days in the summer that is below the 'norms' per cup. I've actually never seen a dog 'eat all the time'....altho, given the opportunity for a bit of people food..they don't like to pass it up! lol :)
 

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Debi said:
I have to disagree with that. it is the general thought to feed a puppy as much as they will eat, at least 4 times a day. they do NOT over eat...IF they do gorge themselves then it may be another problem, such as worms. my dogs wouldn't consider overeating....they eat til they've had enough, and some days in the summer that is below the 'norms' per cup. I've actually never seen a dog 'eat all the time'....altho, given the opportunity for a bit of people food..they don't like to pass it up! lol :)
Although this is true in some situations it's not always true. Some dogs will gorge themselves, for instance, a rescue from the pound that was a stray and had a hard time finding food would most likely always gorge themselves for fear of not finding more food. I also couldn't free feed any of my dogs, they would eat until they burst!
 
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Very Good!!!!

Zoom said:
I can't say whether or not you're overfeeding her since I haven't seen the dog in person or even a good picture of her. And you may be feeding the right amount of food, it just seemed like a lot to me. Do the rib and backbone check; are they easily felt but not visible? I will admit that I have very little experience feeding puppies. All my dogs have been over a year of age when I got them.

Odd thing about feeding amounts: I tried increasing Sawyer's food by a 1/4 cup at each meal (he eats 1 1/2 cups 2 times a day) and he will eat what he's used to and leave the extra portion in his bowl. Go figure.
At least you can be sure that the dog is getting what it needs/wants to eat! I have a feed bin for my bratty girls, and don't have a flabby one around here...........except for myself, that is, rofl.
 
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Hhhmmmmm

Adrienne said:
Although this is true in some situations it's not always true. Some dogs will gorge themselves, for instance, a rescue from the pound that was a stray and had a hard time finding food would most likely always gorge themselves for fear of not finding more food. I also couldn't free feed any of my dogs, they would eat until they burst!
Mea culpa.....I didn't realize we were discussing starving dogs here. All of my dogs free feed, and there are none that are fat. Dogs pretty much eat in balance with their exercise level. Too bad we humans can't do the same, heheheheheh.
 

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Mea culpa.....I didn't realize we were discussing starving dogs here. All of my dogs free feed, and there are none that are fat. Dogs pretty much eat in balance with their exercise level. Too bad we humans can't do the same, heheheheheh.
Well, if your dogs were offered what my dogs are offered to eat I guarantee that they would gorge themselves and bust!
 

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Manchesters said:
Mea culpa.....I didn't realize we were discussing starving dogs here. All of my dogs free feed, and there are none that are fat. Dogs pretty much eat in balance with their exercise level. Too bad we humans can't do the same, heheheheheh.


LOL, manchesters...I was thinking the same...too bad we humans feel the need to eat when not hungry. that's where dogs are much more intelligent! the only obese dogs I've ever seen were ones that were fed fatty table scraps that are bad for them to begin with, and ones that do no receive proper exercise. animals eat until they are full...then stop. I also free feed. we have 'dinner time' where they get their raw chicken & veggies...otherwise the kibble is there for them anytime they want. both are wonderfully thin..healthy thin. I would never presume to think what a starving dog may do, but I suspect once it was reintroduced to a proper diet it would not gorge. there are always exceptions to any rule, however, I just don't think that is the usual :)
 

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Well, if your dogs were offered what my dogs are offered to eat I guarantee that they would gorge themselves and bust!


I've no doubt they may 'pig out' a bit, but they wouldn't 'bust'. :)
 
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???

Adrienne said:
Unless it is specialy designed for large breed pups. Regular puppy food is to high in levels of calcium and phosphorus (I believe that is the two that cause the issue), making the dog grow a lot faster than it should which can lead to joint issues. A chow would be in that range of medium-large breed so I wouldn't feed a regular puppy food. I perfer to stick to an all life stages kind of food like Canidae or Innova that way I don't have to get three different foods for three different ages/types of dogs!
A Chow barely fits into the medium breed status. They are Whippet sized under all the hair.

I would like to know the source of the above "information" on feeding puppy foods? Joint issues come from a puppy being fat. And I see nothing in that statement addressing the difference in puppy and adult metabolic rates.

You CAN feed adult food if you supplement it with powdered milk and maybe some Nutracal (if you can afford that stuff.) Now mind you, I can only base what I have observed in the process of raising hundreds of puppies over the years. I think it is what some people call RESEARCH??? Even if one does not realize it, the results of practices done over a great period of time are actually scientific research.

Of course, I realize that hands on experience cannot hold a candle to all the REPORTS presented around here. And that most of the people writing those reports don't know diddley about feeding puppies based on their own experiences, lol. But hey......let us not quibble....or should I say KIBBLE!!!????? :D :D (That was a pretty good pun, if I do say so myself, roflolololol.)
 
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Well, Yeah

Adrienne said:
Well, if your dogs were offered what my dogs are offered to eat I guarantee that they would gorge themselves and bust!
That would indicate that what they are being offered it NOT satisfying their nutrional needs.

And remember, kids offered cake and ice cream will gorge too. Until they get a dish of brocolli!!!!! :D
 

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Manchesters said:
That would indicate that what they are being offered it NOT satisfying their nutrional needs.

And remember, kids offered cake and ice cream will gorge too. Until they get a dish of brocolli!!!!! :D
Uh huh... my dogs are fed a wide variety of fresh meats and either Canidae or Innova dog food, they get everything they need and more which is evident by their high energy levels, shiny coats and eyes, and their pearly white teeth.

In the wild a dog wouldn't come upon a meal every day so they would gorge themselves and then fast if they didn't come to anything else the next day. Since my dogs are offered food everyday if I let them eat like they would (thinking they may not get another meal that good) they would not maintain a healthy weight because my dogs don't fast themselves and I perfer to feed meals twice a day of the appropriate size rather than have to gorge them one day.
 
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Runts...Yeah, Right, LOL

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Keep in mind, a pup will only grow as large as they are genetically predisposed to grow. No matter how much you feed she will not get any bigger (maybe fatter) than she is genetically coded to do. Even a dog not getting proper nutrition will grow as large as they are genetically programmed to do. Of course, if the pup was starving to death then that would affect the growth.
I have seen many litters produce a runt of some of the pups do not get as big as the others. Don't compare with the other pups in the litter, just keep your pup healthy and happy and don't over due the feeding.
I gave my mom the runt puppy from my first litter of Dobes, because she had helped save his life, making Misty get up on the bed and let him nurse by himself.

His name evolved into "Skinny" (from being called "the skinny puppy")

Sooooooooo, Skinny ended up 31 inches tall at the shoulder, and weighing 110 pounds. What may look like a smaller puppy may just have been conceived 4 or 5 days later than the others. And when they grow up......LOOK OUT!!!!!! :eek:
 
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Oh.....

Adrienne said:
Uh huh... my dogs are fed a wide variety of fresh meats and either Canidae or Innova dog food, they get everything they need and more which is evident by their high energy levels, shiny coats and eyes, and their pearly white teeth.

In the wild a dog wouldn't come upon a meal every day so they would gorge themselves and then fast if they didn't come to anything else the next day. Since my dogs are offered food everyday if I let them eat like they would (thinking they may not get another meal that good) they would not maintain a healthy weight because my dogs don't fast themselves and I perfer to feed meals twice a day of the appropriate size rather than have to gorge them one day.
So you are saying your dogs have the mentality of savages? I guess I am fortunate that my dogs are civilized and well mannered.....in fact they are so civilized that each dog will take a mouthful of food into the living room to eat, leaving room for anyone else who wishes to eat! Now, they do get a bit rowdy if I am handing out pieces of pizza crust, rofl.

Oh, and it is the job of the owner to fast the dogs. It has been scientifically proven that dogs fasted (starved) every 3rd day live 1/3 longer than those fed everyday. May not be real safe for the owners, depending on the breed of dog, rofl.
 
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I sure as heck hope ya'll know that much of what I am posting here is tongue in cheek!!!!!!
 

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So you are saying your dogs have the mentality of savages? I guess I am fortunate that my dogs are civilized and well mannered.....in fact they are so civilized that each dog will take a mouthful of food into the living room to eat, leaving room for anyone else who wishes to eat! Now, they do get a bit rowdy if I am handing out pieces of pizza crust, rofl.

Oh, and it is the job of the owner to fast the dogs. It has been scientifically proven that dogs fasted (starved) every 3rd day live 1/3 longer than those fed everyday. May not be real safe for the owners, depending on the breed of dog, rofl.
No offense but you know we don't agree about dog foods at all. If my dogs had food sprayed with rancid restaruant grease I am sure they wouldn't chow it all down right away either. They'd be to busy begging my food of me which they don't since they get something even better.

As for the fasting, at this point I choose not to since Gunnar isn't old enough to fast and I don't want to cheat my other babies out of a meal when he gets to eat (what can I say I spoil them) once Gunnar is old enough then they will fast.

Civilized they are, meal time is nice, Gunnar lies down to eat his food and the rest enjoy their food so much that they all rub their muzzles along the floor afterward. A sign of a meal enjoyed!
 

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OH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD she asked about her dog not to hear all your opinions on how bad puppy food is or how good puppy food is. She asked if she was feeding her enough and that is all she needed to know. She didn't need to know that you all have so many tens of years of experience and so on and so forth. she doesn't want to hear your petty grievences. if you people can not act like normal functioning members of society when replying to someone's post then DON'T post. I don't know if anyone else noticed but she has not made a reply in here since the second page. CAn't anyone ask a question without it turning into a brawl. It's a wonder anyone posts on this board. "I'm smarter than you are" "my dad is bigger than your dad" this is what you guys sound like. Sorry but GROW UP and get back to the original posters questions.
 
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Julie, Hannah may always be the petite one of the family, just continue to keep her healthy and well fed (and you can probably check on the food manufacturer's website and get recommended amounts as well as the kilo caloric information Mordy referenced). And you know to adjust the amount of food she gets according to her activity level.

As far as free feeding goes, Bimmer would prefer it as that's how he likes to eat, a bit at a time. Kharma would acquiese to it as she knows better than to mess with Bimmer's bowl, but Shiva will literally eat until there isn't anything else in sight. And she's never been in a situation where she was deprived of anything - it's just her nature. Different dogs have different quirks.
 

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