irregular stools

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  1. Cando

    Cando New Member

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    Hello

    My 8 1/2 month old Dobe has some weird digestion problems that someone out there could shed some light on.

    She usually has 3-4 bowel movements a day. Most of those are nice and solid except for one (usually in the afternoons but not always) that is diahrhea.

    We feed the same food, no treats and nothing changes except she will have diahrhea at least once a day for no reason (as I said, all other stools in the day are perfectly solid). She also has bad gas.

    This makes no sense. We dont do anything differently food wise. I can understand if all her bowel movements were soft, but its just the one every day......any ideas?
     
  2. SizzleDog

    SizzleDog Lord Cynical

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    What are you feeding, and how much?

    Dobes can have very sensitive tummies, especailly at that age. My girl went through a period where loose stools were very common, regardless of diet.

    As a rule, Dobes need a high quality diet - they do not tolerate poor quality food as well as some other breeds.
     
  3. Cando

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    I feed Solid Gold WolfCub for large breed puppies. Its a pretty high quality food but does contain grains (rice, millet, barley....but not corn or wheat). I was told to try a kibble with no grain in it at all (such as Innova EVO) but all those are high in protien, fat and calcium and would probably be innapropriate for a large breed puppy.

    I decided to switch to Canidae today. It still has grains but just brown and white rice. We'll see how that goes.

    I agree about the sensitive stomach with Dobes. This isnt the first time ive heard that so i'm glad to hear its not uncommon and it just might be a phase she is going through.
     
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    oh, i forgot to answer your second question......we feed around 6-7 cups a day (over 2 feedings). Its just a little over whats reccomended on the label since she is a bit on the lean side.

    The other thing we notice is that she does produce quite a bit of stool (along with alot of stinky gas), so we include some digestive enzyme tablets and a spoonful of yogurt with each meal which helps a little but not much.

    How many calories/day should a 8-9 month old Dobe puppy be getting anyway? How much do you feed your dobes?

    Thanks for the help
     
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    The loose stool could be dues to stress. Are you or she doing anything special ( different ) an hour before the loose stool ??
     
  6. Cando

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    not really, although it does usually happen in the afternoon after we let her out of the crate that she's been in for 3-4hrs and take her for a long walk(but she sleeps in the crate overnight and her stools in the morning are perfect). We dont crate her on weekends at all but she still has loose stools...weird.

    Oh well....hopefully its just a phase (although this has been going on since 4 mnths old :)
     
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    Could be excitement from crate to play ?
     
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    Sometimes diarrhea comes from over-feeding. Remember, you don't want too feed to much or it can cause growth problems. Large breed puppies are best kept very lean while growing.

    I think Canidae was a good choice. It does great things for stool problems in most dogs. You may want to consider adding a probiotic supplement as well. This helps a lot with gas and diarrhea. Trust me, I have a bulldog and they are the gassiest breed on earth, lol! I have managed to control all of her gas through nutrition and probiotics.
     
  9. fillyone

    fillyone But please, call me Barb

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    One of these days I'm going to type this entire thing out and keep a copy, but here's the short nutshell!
    I had months of "weird" poop with Dante.
    Spend boo-koo bucks in testing (EPI, SIBO included) and it turned out he had Giardia. The first two "regular" Giardia tests came back negative and it wasn't until they ran a Giardia Antigen that they got the positive. A couple of round of antibiotics cleared up the Giarida but left him with 'soft' poop. Giardia can also cause malabsorbtion and appeared to have with Dante as I was able to cut back the total amount of food intake per day by almost 1/2.
    I then moved to a lower fat food (less than 15%) and went back to feeding 3x a day after hearing so many say that over feeding will cause runny/soft stools.
    He's been solid/firm for over a year now!
    :)
     
  10. Red_ACD_for_me

    Red_ACD_for_me Ruled by a RED boy!

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    My ACD started having loose stool alot around the age of your pup now. I was feeding Natural balance regular, Innova, and Innova evo and even tried the raw diet for a few months but nothing helped. I finally started him on Natural balance Venison and Brown rice diet recently and he is now 18 months old, his stool is finally firm and not soft and runny anymore :p . I spoke to my vet and we both came to the conclusion that he may have a reaction to chicken and turkey and needed a food with one single source protein and one carbohydrate source that isn't commonly used in dog food. It has worked wonders :) Good luck! Oh and by the way Innova and Natural balance are made for all lifestages for any breed. ;)
     
  11. Love That Collie

    Love That Collie Owned by 2 Rough Collies

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    I have to agree with this one. Chloe was afflicted with watery diarreha and loose stools when she was barely 3 months old. The stool sample tests that the vets run in their office is sometimes not efficient in obtaining a diagnosis. Chloe's came back ALL clear but we all knew there was a big problem. She had not been eating anything different etc....So, thankfully this vet had the good sense to send off her stool sample halfway across the country to have it tested more in depth and one of those tests was the Giardia Antigen test or (assay) and that was clear. However she was positive for Clostridium Perfringens (CP for short) which they cannot test for in the vet office. It took a week for these tests to come back. (This was the first week in October 2006)

    She was put on a highpowered, mega dose of antibiotics for a month and it cleared up thankfully but she most likely will be afflicted on and off with this for the rest of her life.

    CP, in a nutshell is a toxin in the intestines. While most dogs do have the CP toxin in their intestines most never show symptoms ever, they are fine. But those who do show signs such as the extremely bad diarrhea can get dehydrated VERY quickly. MOST vets do NOT think to test for Clostridium Perfringens when they cannot find the cause of the stool problem. And I know of 3 vets I have run into recently and mentioned CP to and they didn't even know right off what it was and CP is not new. Just not seen a lot.

    However, that said, at the Atlantic Coast Veterenarian Conference a vet who gave the lecture on CP said that most ALL vets have seen CP and treated CP without EVER knowing that their patient even had CP because they did not get a definitive diagnosis by more indepth testing as they cannot test for CP in their office labs. The vets who did not know their patient had CP, but successfully treated it at the time did so only because they were lucky and put the patient on the correct antibiotic. Luck of the draw.

    Now, I always have on hand the antibiotics for her when or if CP appears again. Her stools are somewhat soft but formed but at times can be normal. If there is mucous with the stool I can be sure to begin the antibiotics.

    I'LL never figure out why the vets who cannot diagnose why their patient has diarrhea when they haven't run all the tests. IF the vet cannot see anything wrong with the stool in their office lab then they need to send it off for the more in depth test.

    As far as large breed puppy food, it can in some breeds make them grow too fast and a large breed puppy needs to grow at a slower pace because most are not mature until 18-24 months. Thier growth plates need to grow slower so they do not have problems later in life. I have always had large breed dogs and they go on adult food (Canidae) by 4-6 months. Canidae was the first (and only) kibble Chloe has ever eaten. The breeder had her on Canidae when I got her at a week shy of being 3 months old. All "puppy" food is out around here by they time all of mine have reached 4 1/2 months old.
     

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