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Gaddy, the reason it can be better than raw is because it is balanced and complete. Most people who feed raw really don't have a concept of what makes a satisfactory raw diet, so no, their dogs are not being fed as well as they would on the EVO.
Another thing to remember with raw feeding is that all raw meats should be thoroughly frozen before thawing and feeding. There is a thread here that discusses that. There is a parasite (or bacteria - can't remember specifically) that can be deadly under that wrong circumstances that is killed by deep freezing.
Another thing to remember with raw feeding is that all raw meats should be thoroughly frozen before thawing and feeding. There is a thread here that discusses that. There is a parasite (or bacteria - can't remember specifically) that can be deadly under that wrong circumstances that is killed by deep freezing.
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i think that is definitely an important point to bring up.
there are a lot of people out there who just feed a "whatever diet" without putting much thought into actual nutritional requirements.
and for what it's worth - a friend of mine who has been a (very educated) raw feeder for over 6 years fed her 3 dogs innova evo for 2 weeks recently (she was on the road with one dog and her hubby had to feed the two others at home), and she said as much as it made her mad to admit it, her dogs did better on the evo than on an all raw diet.
there are a lot of people out there who just feed a "whatever diet" without putting much thought into actual nutritional requirements.
and for what it's worth - a friend of mine who has been a (very educated) raw feeder for over 6 years fed her 3 dogs innova evo for 2 weeks recently (she was on the road with one dog and her hubby had to feed the two others at home), and she said as much as it made her mad to admit it, her dogs did better on the evo than on an all raw diet.
And you know, Mordy, I missed the fact that Innova is manufacturing from organic sources. I've talked about it in other threads, but the meat you buy from the store or butcher shop isn't what you think it is.
We raise Black Angus beef cattle, and you'd be appalled at the stuff they want us to shoot into our cattle; hormones, antibiotics, chemicals, ad nauseum. We don't. The beef we eat tastes and looks nothing like the junk you buy. I understand the poultry industry is far worse, feeding poultry meals made from all sorts of sources, adding hormones and chemicals to the diets. Finding true organic meat sources for the end-consumer is extremely difficult and very expensive, unless you find an independent farmer who will sell you a beef (on the hoof) and take it to a slaughterhouse for you.
We raise Black Angus beef cattle, and you'd be appalled at the stuff they want us to shoot into our cattle; hormones, antibiotics, chemicals, ad nauseum. We don't. The beef we eat tastes and looks nothing like the junk you buy. I understand the poultry industry is far worse, feeding poultry meals made from all sorts of sources, adding hormones and chemicals to the diets. Finding true organic meat sources for the end-consumer is extremely difficult and very expensive, unless you find an independent farmer who will sell you a beef (on the hoof) and take it to a slaughterhouse for you.
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It is important to research a diet before feeding it, and we have certainly done that. We use our holistic veterinarian's raw meat diet recipe(s) that are completely balanced. It certainly is easier to feed kibble and I do recommend IE, but it is IMO dumb of Natura Pet to act as if feeding kibble is better for my dogs.
They aren't acting as if feeding kibble is better for your particular dogs; those are very general ads, and for the vast majority of dogs it is true. And if you don't have access to real, unadulterated, organic ingredients even the best raw diet contains toxins not found in the Natura products. I've sat through the specialized ag seminars for beef producers and had to keep my mouth shut while the researchers, market experts and other "authorities" spouted about what is required to receive top dollar from the stockyard and feed lot sales - and the highly touted "certified Angus" is among some of the more adulterated product.
I'm certainly glad my dogs aren't eating anything regularly that comes from a grocery store or butcher shop. I only wish the ingredients in MY food were half as good! I'd probably be healthier, too, if I just had a bowl of my dogs' EVO a couple of times a day . . .
I'm certainly glad my dogs aren't eating anything regularly that comes from a grocery store or butcher shop. I only wish the ingredients in MY food were half as good! I'd probably be healthier, too, if I just had a bowl of my dogs' EVO a couple of times a day . . .
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I'm not saying I don't like their products---I love them and recommend their foods and treats---but I am saying IMO raw is healthier than kibble/wet. And yes, they do indeed act as if IE is better than raw. We picked up a pamphlet for it at a local kibble store and they certainly did act as if their food is better. I'm not saying I don't like their foods---I'm totally impressed by the ingredients---but I am saying I don't like the way they act about it.
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LOL I'd like to see that! Will you eat it with milk? Nice doggy cereal.
I'll have to agree with you, Renee. Innova is a very impressively ethical company. And the crap that is meat these days is one of the reasons I"ve given them up. Blah.
I'll have to agree with you, Renee. Innova is a very impressively ethical company. And the crap that is meat these days is one of the reasons I"ve given them up. Blah.
They make a canned food, as well as puppy formula. You can visit the company's website at www.naturapet.com to see their products and read about the ingredients.
please don't yell at me people! but .. what should i be looking for in ingredients? i mean i'm not very knowledgable about dogs/dog food.. but it's a good time to start if i want my pup to be strong and healthy right?! .. soo yea!
plus when my puppy was sick he had to be put on iams and eukanuba vet formula .. but he's on purina mighty dog right now.. before he was sick i heard canidae was good so i bought it.. it said puppy.. so i thought he could eat it, but he was to young to eat it, i guess it was too hard for him... will innova give my puppy diarrhea? because purina's mighty dog seems to give him not diarrhea, but very soft stools.. and its sooo smelly!
plus when my puppy was sick he had to be put on iams and eukanuba vet formula .. but he's on purina mighty dog right now.. before he was sick i heard canidae was good so i bought it.. it said puppy.. so i thought he could eat it, but he was to young to eat it, i guess it was too hard for him... will innova give my puppy diarrhea? because purina's mighty dog seems to give him not diarrhea, but very soft stools..
and its sooo smelly!This is a great site that tells u waht is good in foods and what u should avoid I found it and luv it! here ya go
http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=identify
And hey ppl what is IMO raw?
http://www.mordanna.com/dogfood/index.php?page=identify
And hey ppl what is IMO raw?
Your vet did you a great disservice by putting your pup on Iams and Eukanuba. A lot of vets sell it - but it's garbage. It's not your fault; you would think vets would be a little concerned about learning something substantive about nutrition other than the information they get from the large manufacturers. The Purina Mighty Dog is pretty bad, but probably not much worse than the Iams/Eukanuba.
Some dogs and puppies need time to adjust to a different food, and your pup will probably need some adjustment time when you switch him to a good food.
The Innova ingredients are a good example of what to look for; if you hold other foods to those standards you won't go wrong.
The two simplest things I tell people to look for is that the ingredients are organic and human grade. Those are always a good place to start.
And don't worry, we're not going to yell at you! Mordy will probably have some more good guidelines for you.
I'm curious, was there anything other than it being hard that led you to think that your pup wasn't old enough for the Canidae?
Some dogs and puppies need time to adjust to a different food, and your pup will probably need some adjustment time when you switch him to a good food.
The Innova ingredients are a good example of what to look for; if you hold other foods to those standards you won't go wrong.
The two simplest things I tell people to look for is that the ingredients are organic and human grade. Those are always a good place to start.
And don't worry, we're not going to yell at you!
Mordy will probably have some more good guidelines for you.I'm curious, was there anything other than it being hard that led you to think that your pup wasn't old enough for the Canidae?
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Your vet did you a great disservice by putting your pup on Iams and Eukanuba. A lot of vets sell it - but it's garbage. It's not your fault; you would think vets would be a little concerned about learning something substantive about nutrition other than the information they get from the large manufacturers. The Purina Mighty Dog is pretty bad, but probably not much worse than the Iams/Eukanuba.
Some dogs and puppies need time to adjust to a different food, and your pup will probably need some adjustment time when you switch him to a good food.
The Innova ingredients are a good example of what to look for; if you hold other foods to those standards you won't go wrong.
The two simplest things I tell people to look for is that the ingredients are organic and human grade. Those are always a good place to start.
And don't worry, we're not going to yell at you! Mordy will probably have some more good guidelines for you.
I'm curious, was there anything other than it being hard that led you to think that your pup wasn't old enough for the Canidae?
Some dogs and puppies need time to adjust to a different food, and your pup will probably need some adjustment time when you switch him to a good food.
The Innova ingredients are a good example of what to look for; if you hold other foods to those standards you won't go wrong.
The two simplest things I tell people to look for is that the ingredients are organic and human grade. Those are always a good place to start.
And don't worry, we're not going to yell at you!
Mordy will probably have some more good guidelines for you.I'm curious, was there anything other than it being hard that led you to think that your pup wasn't old enough for the Canidae?
Well I was thinking since I'm almost done with his purina food anyways, if i should scoop up some Innova tomorrow.. also is it okay to mix solid food & canned food? (for example the Canidae and the Innova, cause I still have the canidae and i don't want it to go to waste) ..
I heard that Canidae makes their coat shiny, and their stool isn't soo smelly! .. I'm a gullable person, so that's why i bought it! and since i thought the vet knows best she told me eukanuba/iams was great for him cause it's high in calorie.. and so i thought it was! ..
Thanks Renee750il for saving me and my puppy! i only want what's best for him!