Important Read on Raw

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  1. Renee750il

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    Wow, Thanks for that info....
     
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    Excellent. I use a simple rule of thumb, FREEZE everything 1st. Neosporosis is a killer, I have witnessed this 1st hand. I feed raw, and also wean my puppies on to raw, and have never had any problems. BUT I am very careful in the handling of any meats.
     
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    Hey Renee, I just did a search on this neosporosis canineum that was mentioned in that link. I couldn't find anything from a reliable source. Do you have one? It actually came up with very few hits and they were all from dog forums... Are you sure it's not a scare tactic? (Sorry for asking cuz I know you research well)
     
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    Cool. Thanks. I think I looked it up on google in assoc. with dogs or something. That's probably where I got lost. :D
     
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    Sometimes you just have to work back from the specific search term - even back to the root word . . . THEN you get to weed out the extraneous stuff. :rolleyes:

    I've got attorneys that think you can just type in exactly what you want and it appears . . . PRESTO . . . and wonder why they get a bill for four hours of research . . . life really gets fun when you're searching patents for product liability. :rolleyes: Some of them are clueless enough that when they ask how I find stuff I just look at them, wink, and say "Magic!" Like I'd really give away my secrets to them - or they'd be able to actually do it. Sometimes there's a certain amount of intuition, luck and - yep - magic involved, lol!
     
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    LOL I bet. I'm not bad at finding stuff but I do give up after awhile. I don't think I've ever spent four hours looking for something. :) Although I was looking up label laws in Canada the other day and gave up pretty easily. I don't know who governs that. :)
     
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    I would think it would depend on what kind of products the labels were for: ie, food, paint, pet food. The regulating body would likely fall under the auspices of whatever body oversees the actual product guidelines.

    Maybe that's why I understand my dogs so well; I'm kind of like they are when they get focused on something - I just can't let go until it's thoroughly subdued!
     
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    Its always advisable to freeze meat before feeding to the dogs, all the time I have had my dogs on the raw diet I have frozen the meat before giving to them, I was aware of this parasite some time ago, through another incident.I also saw this post at a later date.

    Mo
     
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    Wow, that's devastating! How awful. Thanks for showing us.
     
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    Scary !!! I've always given my dogs some trimmings (like from stew meat) when preparing.....will now freeze first. Never too old to learn !
     
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    thanks, opur dogs get heaps of meat so ill be carefukl now
     
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    Thanks for the heads up
     
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    ****!
     
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    Oh my god!!! How many times have your dogs hoovered up little scraps that fall when you are deboning or whatever! I know for a fact that Gus has hoovered up hundereds of scraps! This is terrifying!! Thank you for the link Renee!! Will now go and spread the word to my doggy friends!!
     
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    I feed my dogs raw, but I have always frozen and then defrosted, before giving to the dogs, I was aware of this danger quite some time ago.Always better safe than sorry I say.

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    Sheba i think its the same Write up we have on our forum

    If not Sorry Rencee for highjacking



    This article is provided courtesy of Raw Meat

    The issue of feeding raw meat as part (or the entirety) of a domestic dog's diet, has proven to be very dangerous. What started out as an unresearched and unsubstantiated diet that qualified veterinarians dismissed as a "fad", has now become a real threat for the well meaning dog lovers who are striving to give their dog's the best. click here to hear what just a few vets have to say. Additionally, dogs who are not on a raw meat diet are still at risk because of parasites and bacteria spread through feces at commonly shared parks.

    Veterinarians across the United States have grave concerns about raw meat and bones in a dog's diet. History and current statistics show us that both wild and domestic dogs who eat raw meat and bones can and do become very ill for a number of reasons.

    There has been a significant increase in a variety of illnesses due to a raw meat diet. Some dogs become ill right away and others have severe pancreatic, kidney, heart and brain illnesses due to a long-term raw meat diet. Most dogs that die from a raw meat / bones diet do not show signs of illness until a few days before it kills them. This is true with Pancreatitis and with the raw chicken or turkey necks and backs that injure the stomach and intestinal area.

    Advocates of a raw meat/bone diet make a giant leap from a low quality kibble to raw meat and bones, skipping over a more common sense solution. A home-made diet with cooked meat. Any initial results they might see with a raw meat diet are a result of an "absence" of one or more ingredients of the kibble - NOT the "presence" of raw meat. I am very much in favor of home-made diets made with cooked meat and grains, raw veggies and fruits, as long as you have researched your dog's current health status and breeding history if possible.

    I considered a raw diet for my dog and decided to challenge the idea by thoroughly investigating everyone's claims (on both sides of the fence). It has evolved into an 11 year independent study. The most compelling evidence are the growing number of dogs I have known to actually die from a raw turkey or chicken back/neck tearing apart their stomach. Intestinal parasites from the raw meat causing a slow death or severe illness. Female dogs on a raw meat diet are more commonly dying while giving birth to a litter.

    Throughout my research, I have interviewed and collected data from several top veterinary universities and nutrition experts with degrees in science and biology. Not one of these credited experts could honestly say that a raw meat and/or bone diet for domestic dogs was anywhere near the realm of safe. In addition, I have not found a holistic practitioner or raw meat advocate that can provide evidence that raw meat actually benefits the dog. For example, I'm often told "my dog has a beautiful coat". Raw meat is high in fat - this could also be accomplished with olive oil added to their diet, without the risk of illnesses associated with raw meat. New studies are coming out frequently - all opposed to raw meat and bone diets.

    Advocates of a raw meat diet feel that it's "bringing your dog back to a more natural style of living". None of the people who are promoting a b.a.r.f. diet (that I have encountered) have actually had contact with a wild dog. Dr. Billinghurst admittedly has never done any studies on wolves or wild dogs. I have. I have a wolf sanctuary, and the truth is that wild-born wolves taken into captivity are typically malnutritioned.ลก Most people *assume* that because wild dogs don't have the opportunity to cook their food, that nature has set up the perfect diet for them. This is simply not true. We know from their carcasses that they die of splintered fowl bones and have very bad dentalia (dental problems).

    As for the statement that raw meat is a biologically correct food, Humans have survived healthfully on cooked foods for thousands of years. It is more than safe to say that diseases such as Cancer are not caused by cooking your meat.

    There are a variety of raw meat menus being offered. You can also find several home-made raw meat diets on websites. It's possible that some of these menus or products are better/safer than others. However, I have been told by experienced veterinarians and nutritionists that they all have in common - they are extremely unbalanced and also put your dog at risk of contracting dangerous bacteria and parasites. This is not my own opinion, but that of the top veterinary universities and true nutritional experts. Anyone to deny there is risk, is fooling themselves!
     
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    I could not read the original post from the link. Did it mention anything about freezing the meat helping the situation? It is my understanding that freezing does not kill bacteria. It merely slows its rate of reproduction. That's in part why we humans don't simply eat defrosted meat without cooking it first. (That, and the taste, obviously.) Of course, I am no expert on this, so please expound on this issue if you know about it. Thanks.
     

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