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  1. Doberluv

    Doberluv Active Member

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    Wow....interesting logic there.

    Reputable breeders incur costs before they even have a litter. First of all, they've likely spent good money on their foundation stock. They often have travel expenses when they visit potential stud dogs. They may travel out of the country even in order to be thorough in their selection of a match for their bitch. (and visa versa)

    They most often show their dogs in some venue so they can prove their dog's aptitude for the job the dog was bred to do because reputable breeders don't breed dogs that don't cut the mustard. That showing, often traveling long distances to show or trial costs big money.

    Reputable breeders not only have a vet to consult with throughout the pregnancy, they also feed good food and nutritional suppliments which cost money. (not saying that no byb does this, but many do not)

    Reputable breeders research way ahead of time what genetic faults their dog and their dog's ancestors may carry and get the appropriate DNA, X-ray etc...testing done. Very expensive!

    Reputable breeders worm and vaccinate their puppies before they leave their care. They keep them in their care for at least 8 weeks. All the while, they are keeping up the high standards of nutrition for their bitch and beginning to feed their puppies. Premium dog food is not as cheap as Kibbles and Bits.

    I know there's more that I'm missing. But the point is that reputable breeders' selling cost of their puppies is commensurate with what they put into the puppies. They're purebred dogs with a long line of research behind them...a long line of ancestors which have had money put into them. Oh, in the case of my Doberman, ear cropping costs the breeder about $200-250.00.That's part of the purchase price. Plus, the breeder has to keep the ears clean and take care of them for a few weeks before the pup goes to his new home.


    An adoption fee should cover vaccines and worming and the cheap food the byb fed the dogs....enough to make the person comfortable that the dog is going to a home where the people place a value on the dog....a monetary value. This may dissuade rotten people from adopting the dog....to some little degree anyhow. An adoption fee is not the same as a sales price. And an adoption fee when it's a shelter or rarely a byb, will cover the spay or neuter...if they do it when they're super young.

    So, there is NO comparrison between a sales price of a reputable breeder's purebred dog and an adoption fee for finding a home for a dog of unknown heritage, with unknown health testing/genetic faults, with nothing to show for conformation or working ability....no titles, no ancesteral history, no nothing.
     
  2. Vintage Boxers

    Vintage Boxers Boxer Buddy

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    Are you SERIOUS?? Really...


    So someone that shows (investment)
    Health Tests (investment)
    Chooses a complimentary mate , usually NOT near them, or owned by themself which if you have the girl means...
    Stud fee
    Travel
    Progesterone
    Brucellosis....(investment)

    Then it is care of the female AND pups
    vet care and usually ultrasound for puppy count (investment)

    Then vet care after birth IF you don't need a section or life saving measures for mother and pups (investment)
    *above includes tails and dews for some breeds*

    Then there is the feeding , cleaning, care , finding SUITABLE homes via home inspection and other measures (investment of money and time)

    and then the cycle starts all over...

    So yeah please don't compare a WELL bred puppy from a RESPONSIBLE breeder to those that are breeding mix breeds left and right and byb'ers...

    As for your friend, i would venture to ask what their "impression/definition" of a responsible breeder is....

    As for CL, i absolutely do flag stupid posts.
    If it means that the puppy goes to the shelter , that breeder made NO MONEY off that puppy. I am ok with that.
    Yup and even with the fact that they risk being put down, i find that MUCH better than chancing being in a home where they are valued for their penis or uterus and nothing else. But i guess i am just cruel that way.
     
  3. Saeleofu

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    Such as for some dogs, progesterone and LH testing for timing, AI costs (it can get expensive fast if you have frozen semen shipped out and do a surgical implant). Pregnancy ultrasounds and/or x-rays and/or blood testing. Sometimes progesterone and ultrasound monitoring at the end of the pregnancy if needed for timing of a c-section, sometimes having a c-section, or even an emergecny c-section (at our clinic a c-section ends up being around $800; if someone needs to go to the emergency clinic because we're closed, it ends up costing them around $1500 - $2000 or more...we had a BYB bulldog breeder come in for a progesterone check because they had no idea when their dog was bred, came back at less than 2, and they traveled to another state to get a c-section for under $150). We had a shar pei a couple months ago come in that needed a c-section. One puppy. Now you tell me that in addition to the other care, the $800 c-section doesn't justify a high price for a dog. (Mind you, this breeder has been coming to our clinic for about 6 months, and has already spend thousands of dollars here, AND she has taken her dogs to specialists and spent thousands more there). Her dogs are gorgeous, mostly healthy (no inherited problems), and have beautiful temperaments (hard to come by in a shar pei around here). THAT is a responsible breeder.
     
  4. Squishy22

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    Hmmm, I was the one who posted the story about a drunk man fallowing me and my ex fiance on a walk. A drunk man, who was slurring and couldn't even walk a straight line, kept right on our heals and made quick hand movements. I noticed reggin was not acting himself. He was leary and wouldn't take his eyes off that man and he kept trying to get inbetween us. At one point, the man suddenly moved his hand towards me to pet pebbles who was in my arms. Reggin, lunged up towards the mans hands. If my ex didn't pull the leash back quickly, the guy would be missing a chunk of meat out of his forearm. Do I know for a fact that he was protecting my safety or simply protecting his "property"? I have no idea. Does this story prove he is a protection dog? NO. I absolutely have no idea and would not count on it for him to protect my life if I was ever attacked. Especially being a pit bull. This is just simply a story, which surprised me because he's NEVER acted like that before and it took me by surprise. But I will say one thing... The man took off in a hurry and never bothered us again. He even knew where we lived and I once found him in my back yard while I was home alone with my one year old daughter. I do understand what you are saying though. Most dogs would never protect... Reggin was most likely one of them. They would hide or run away and bark and bare teeth from a safe distance. Dogs who are behind a barrier will put on a big show, because they know that the barrier will keep them seperated. And I am not just talking about small dogs, big massive dogs do this as well... Not just little fufu the poodle next door...
     
  5. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    ohhh I want to address this

    Lets take the Dekklet litter.

    Forgetting all titles etc Dekka has and all the $$ cost.. And lets forget health testing.

    Stud fee 500
    Emerg C section 1200
    Solo's reconstructive ear surgery 900
    Reg vet stuff 300

    Total 2900 for 3 pups.
    so that is a cost of 966 dollars per pup.

    That doesn't take into account feeding, reg care, etc etc

    Reputable breeders sometimes charge lots cause it costs lots.... (not that I get 1000 for a pup)
     
  6. Jules

    Jules Magic, motherf@%$*#!

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    Err... I just want to jump in here- I thought it was meant in a cute way as well. Maybe worded a bit unlucky, but hey, not everyone always thinks that through. I am a military spouse, too, and I am not one bit offended... Why would I? Plenty of spouses bring a dog home when the husband deploys (I wish more would see a dog as a life long commitment!), heck, we got T-Bone about a month before my husband shipped out. Primarily as a companion but also to "protect" me. I don't think anyone expects a Schutzhund prospect from the posting... but a simple bark when a stranger is at the door made me feel a lot safer and protected.
     
  7. Izzy's Valkyrie

    Izzy's Valkyrie Very Food Agressive

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    :hail::hail: EXACTLY
     
  8. Ivy

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    How many times to I have to write "not all registered breeders" for some of you to understand that I am referring to only a percetage of breeders, NOT ALL. Not all breeders that I have come across show their dogs and I have had many call me looking to re-home some of their breeding dogs for reasons that I do not care to mention. So get the mask off your eyes and read ALL the words I write not only the ones you think you see.

    Yes there are fabulous registered, reputable breeders out there that spend a lot of money on their breeding dogs and litters, and there are ALSO others that do not that still charge quite a bit.
     
  9. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    But why bring it up?

    And no I am not a 'registered' breeder.

    And I did read the "some not all".. there are no masks before my eyes lol.

    But how do you know which are which?

    How does that make a difference one way or another with high rehoming fees?

    If I didn't post the costs of the last litter would you have thought my prices too high?

    I wrote what I did because you came off as judgmental and uninformed.
     
  10. Ivy

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    I'm coming off as judgemental?? Why, because I state what my beliefs are just like everyone else on this forum? I never said I know which are good or bad. I was just saying that it can go both ways.

    The reason prices came up is because someone else posted about re-homing or adoption fees.
     
  11. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    no lol.

    You never gave context to your comment. How does what a good breeder/or a byb charge have anything to do with a rehoming fee?
     

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