I'll admit it, I'm a Craigslist flagger...here's a gem...

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I didn't specifically mean these people, or these pups, it's just that you cruise CL and you often see a person listing pure bred pups and have 2-3 left with a hefty rehoming fee.
 

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Charging a reasonable fee can separate the people who actually are lookig for a dog and those who sell dogs to research labs or use the dogs for illegal purposes, etc. If you can't afford an amount like $250.00, for example, then maybe getting a dog is not a good idea.
It's NOT about being able to afford $250.00, $300.00 or $1000.00 for that matter.

It IS about a BYB selling litters of pups and making profit on CL when it's against the rules set forth.

How about this? You want to seperate the good and bad homes? Meet with the people, ask questions, visit THEIR home, get references..........it doesn't have to be about charging a crazy amount to see if they are fit.

'Cause we all know 'rich folk' would NEVER abuse their pet or dump it right?
 

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I agree with you Acooper. Huge "re-homing" or "adoption" fees are nothing more than trying to make a profit. And I totally disagree with that or repeat breedings. That goes back to what we've always talked about with respect to byb and puppy mills. I hope that isn't the case with this person. But it could be. It's hard to tell from that ad.
You think $250.00 is a "huge re-homing fee"?
Have you ever seen some of the ridiculous prices (I am referring to some, not all) registered, reputable breeders charge for their pups?
 

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You think $250.00 is a "huge re-homing fee"?
Have you ever seen some of the ridiculous prices (I am referring to some, not all) registered, reputable breeders charge for their pups?
Yes I have, and registered REPUTABLE breeders actually have EXPENSES concerning the pup. Bitches and sires are HEALTH tested........that isn't free. A lot of the times, REPUTABLE breeders PROVE the parents in some venue.......lots of time and money there as well.

REPUTABLE breeders have the pups vetted and supply a lifetime of service to you and your pup. So if I paid a good breeder $1000.00 for a pup at least I know where that money went.

These CL people SELLING litters have no expenses wrapped up in these dogs, they threw dog A and B together and let them mate. They delivered the pups for free and have supplied a bit of dog food for the last couple weeks after the pups were weaned. So please don't compare what a BYB sells a pup for compared to a reputable breeder..........it's not even apples and oranges, but more like apples and monkeys.
 

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I agree with you on the concept that some breeders spend more money on the females and the pups, but I have also come across a fair share that do NOT.

Also, have you not noticed how so many dogs have so many health problems. I have several friends that have bought dogs from a "so called" registered, reputable breeders and those two dogs ended up having problems after problems with their health their entire lives. Also, have you not noticed how dogs have changed drastically from their true lines. And many have been changed by breeders. So in other words, no I do not agree that spending $1,000.00 is better.

I do not agree with BYB's either, but there are the few that do go the extra mile than the typical.

(Again I am not referring to all breeders, just a percentage)

In short, BYB's and Breeders have both extremes. Some are very knowledgable and some are not.

If I were comparing apples and monkeys I would be comparing a dog breeder with monkey breeder, not two types of "dog" breeders.
 

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One thing I don't get about flaggers is when they post, flag this ad its a byb, or when they re:re:re: argue with the bybs at hand, and thus that lost dog ad, gets put at the bottom of the page, thanks to SPAMMING FROM FLAGGERS!!!

Seriously this is 75% of CL's pet section:

FLAG THIS BYB
FLAGGERS GET A LIFE
RE:FLAGGERS GET A LIFE
RE
RE
RE
RE'' ''
I'M NOT A BYB, THIS WAS AN OOPS LITTER
FLAG THIS BYB
FLAG
FLAG
FLAG
FLAG
FLAG

Its very annoying quite frankly.
 

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Also, have you not noticed how dogs have changed drastically from their true lines.
What does that have to do with Joe Blow charging $250 to rehome his dog because he's now too broke to feed it? Or any of the other dumb excuses people come up with when "rehoming?"
 

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I was only using that as an "example" that some people think all BYB's are useless, when it goes both ways.
 

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They tried finding HOMES for them and you're trying to take that opportunity away from them, so what happens then? Have you thought about it.
They could repost their ad, making sure it adheres to CL rules.


I find the idea of charging $250+ for a rehoming fee to make sure the people you're selling to are actually good owners and not labs ridiculous. I do believe you should charge a rehoming fee for that purpose, but not THAT much of one. The reasoning that if you can't afford a $250 rehoming fee then you can't afford a dog is flawed; why not spend, say, $50 on said dog, and use the other $200 for vaccines, food, toys, etc. that a responsible dog owner needs to provide for their dog?
 

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I was only using that as an "example" that some people think all BYB's are useless, when it goes both ways.
How does it go both ways? There are good breeders and there are crappy ones. If people are in the category of BYB it's because they aren't a good breeder.
 

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Well PoodleMommy we'll just have to agree to disagree then. Nothing "funny" about it. Maybe to a civilian, I guess.

And since I have to make it clear to YOU specifically---I actually do quite a bit to help animals, but since you and I don't know each other and you didn't bother to ask, I guess you wouldn't know that, would you ;). It's ok, you're snarky stab doesn't faze me.

As far as flagging goes...I highly doubt that a flagged post ends up with puppies dumped. Someone who dumps puppies doesn't think to post on CL first asking a rehoming fee, and then the VERY NEXT step is to dump them. Most people just post again.
 

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How does it go both ways? There are good breeders and there are crappy ones. If people are in the category of BYB it's because they aren't a good breeder.
There are registered breeders that are more caring and passionate about the litters their dogs produce and then there are also registered breeders that are not as knowledgeable or caring as the next one. Why is that so hard to understand?

Same with BYB. There are the horrible ones that only care to make money and there are also the few that really do care for the pregnant dog and her litter. Maybe not a huge percent, but there are always exceptions.
 

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Where does a rehoming fee even come into this ad? The add said 'to good home' which sounds to me like the pups would be free. :rolleyes:

The reason that the OP flagged that ad was because she didn't like the contents, how does the OP know that it isn't a military spouse that posted the ad trying to ad a bit of lightheartedness into their situation?

I mean because if it were, that person may look at the pups as looking out for them. :rolleyes:
 
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There are registered breeders that are more caring and passionate about the litters their dogs produce and then there are also registered breeders that are not as knowledgeable or caring as the next one. Why is that so hard to understand?

Same with BYB. There are the horrible ones that only care to make money and there are also the few that really do care for the pregnant dog and her litter. Maybe not a huge percent, but there are always exceptions.
It doesn't matter what somebody feels about their litter, if they aren't doing the things that count them as a reputable breeder, they don't fall in that category therefore they are "everybody else," or more conveniently "BYBs." They can be evil money grubbing jerks or they have an "oops" litter or they could simply be naive and think that breeding their two dogs because they are cute is a good idea - it doesn't matter where on the spectrum they fall, they are still in the category that is Not A Reputable Breeder. Therefore comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges.
Why is that so hard to understand?


Upendi&Mina, I think people are just talking more about CL postings on the whole rather than the specific one mentioned in the OP. Sometimes people post the fee in the ad and sometimes if you e-mail to ask about the dogs, they tell you what they're asking in the reply. There are apparently people on my local CL that routinely e-mail EVERYBODY to ask about the rehoming fee because, like how Juicy posted, I see people posting "THIS ONE IS A BREEDER THEY ARE ASKING $$$$ or whatever."
 
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Well PoodleMommy we'll just have to agree to disagree then. Nothing "funny" about it. Maybe to a civilian, I guess.

And since I have to make it clear to YOU specifically---I actually do quite a bit to help animals, but since you and I don't know each other and you didn't bother to ask, I guess you wouldn't know that, would you ;). It's ok, you're snarky stab doesn't faze me.

As far as flagging goes...I highly doubt that a flagged post ends up with puppies dumped. Someone who dumps puppies doesn't think to post on CL first asking a rehoming fee, and then the VERY NEXT step is to dump them. Most people just post again.
the person is OBVIOUSLY either in the military or related to someone in the military.. maybe you should inform them that you are the only person in the world who can talk about the military... YOUR not in the military, so get off your high horse.


whether you like it or not you are harming animals... obviously there next step wont be to dump the animals but if they cant find homes they WILL end up in a shelter or on the streets and you are certainly not helping them find homes.

Who made you GOD to decide if these people have good intentions or not?

Why not email them and ask their situation and see if you can help?

Seriously drop the all mighty attitude.
 

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Well PoodleMommy we'll just have to agree to disagree then. Nothing "funny" about it. Maybe to a civilian, I guess.

And since I have to make it clear to YOU specifically---I actually do quite a bit to help animals, but since you and I don't know each other and you didn't bother to ask, I guess you wouldn't know that, would you ;). It's ok, you're snarky stab doesn't faze me.

As far as flagging goes...I highly doubt that a flagged post ends up with puppies dumped. Someone who dumps puppies doesn't think to post on CL first asking a rehoming fee, and then the VERY NEXT step is to dump them. Most people just post again.
I think it's funny, I just went back to the first page and looked at the CG post. First of all, the poster of the ad is obviously in the military, read "leave a message during duty hours".


Please show me where in that ad they asked for a rehoming fee? Because unless I'm blind, it's not there.
 

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If this is the kind of ad that gets your blood boiling, I'm amazed you haven't had a heart attack with the actual byb ads out there. This is by far not the worst ad out there and really wasn't worth the flagging.

The ones that should upset you are those that tell readers the puppies will die by the end of the day if they get flagged again or those trading worm filled pups for an xbox. Seriously, find a more heinous post to flag.

I agree that this ad seemed light hearted and far from purposely deceiving people into thinking that these pups are any kind of protection trained. An intelligent person would know that protection training is never done before this age and take that statement as a sort of joke, knowing full well that some families are lonely on Oahu while their other halves are deployed. These people probably would have appreciated knowing that another family just like them has found joy with their pets and happens to have a little bit to spread around.

Sheesh, I doubt my mom would have been offended to read this while my dad was overseas, what's so bad about someone trying to add a bit of happiness to other military families?
 

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Where does a rehoming fee even come into this ad? The add said 'to good home' which sounds to me like the pups would be free.
This particular ad does not ask for a rehoming fee; my response was to another post within the thread. It helps to read a thread first if you're going to be posting to discredit someone. :rolleyes:
 

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This particular ad does not ask for a rehoming fee; my response was to another post within the thread. It helps to read a thread first if you're going to be posting to discredit someone. :rolleyes:
LOL I did read the thread.

I simply don't understand why this ad is being torn apart.

If you don't like cl stay off of it, it's simple.
 
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This particular ad does not ask for a rehoming fee; my response was to another post within the thread. It helps to read a thread first if you're going to be posting to discredit someone. :rolleyes:
I dont think they were referring to your post since they didnt quote it.
 

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