I'll admit it, I'm a Craigslist flagger...here's a gem...

Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by mommakatx2, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. Saeleofu

    Saeleofu Active Member

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    I don't have a problem with thinking your dogs will "watch over" you. I have a problem with saying that puppies, especially ones that young, are "specially trained" in any way.
     
  2. ACooper

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    I find that a bit condescending, as if you believe since you train with your dog for such work you have the market cornered on a dog that WILL protect when needed.

    I can agree that nobody knows if their dog will protect until a REAL situation appears.........and yes, that includes dogs who train for the job.

    I have a 75lb doberman, I have NO IDEA if he would protect me if needed.......I like to think he would, but we've never really been in the position.

    On the other hand, we also have a 38lb border mix that has PROVEN she will. Laid back, no protection training, and friendly as they come to EVERYONE she meets.........but she HAS put herself between me and danger and lunged for the bite. I never even DREAMED she would be a protector. Go figure huh?

    Gotta say I am agreeing with mommakatx on that one. It is a ridiculous claim for ANYONE to make when trying to rehome, sell, or give away PUPPIES.

    If they had said "potential ability" based on parents? I might have bought that one. Not pups already "SPECIALLY TRAINED" <-----exact words used> and now they are being REHOMED on craig's list? Who puts that kind of time and training into a PUPPY to rehome on CL? Nope..........don't buy it at all.
     
  3. Doberluv

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    I agree. That is stretching it a bit, isn't it. 7 or 8 week old (or even older) puppies are incapable of protecting themselves, much less anyone else.

    My (90 lb...lol) Doberman backed someone right into a corner in my home when this person had no business being in my home. And he also kept someone from coming inside when I wasn't right there. He didn't bite, but he let them know in no uncertain terms. Whether he was protecting me or not, I don't know...more likely he was protecting himself and his belongings (I was his belonging.) LOL.

    It's hard to say whether a dog, even one trained in protection, actually has it in their mind that they're protecting their person from harm. Do they for sure think like we would if we pulled a gun on someone who was about to attack our child or another person we cared about? We're thinking of that person's welfare. Does a dog who is protecting think about the welfare of the person? I doubt it. They'd have to have some sophisticated form of empathy, which has not been concluded by science. (maybe a rudimentary form. I've read a bit on this subject) I tend to think they're protecting themselves. Their person or family is responsible for their survival so they're protecting that resrouce. JMO. (maybe a little off topic, huh)

    But yeah...a pretty silly ad.
     
  4. sparks19

    sparks19 I'd rather be at Disney

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    Beezer has proven himself IMO as a "protector" When a man was in our backyard and ended up standing in the window of the sliding door. Beezer was charging the door and banging against the door at the "intruder". Had he opened the door Beezer was prepared to bite him. I've NEVER seen him in such a rage.

    while Belle danced around the room like an idiot wagging her tail being totally excited about the whole event lol.

    But I wouldn't rehome Beezer with the title "specially trained to watch over your spouse while you are away" lol and especially not at only a few months of age.
     
  5. Fran101

    Fran101 Resident fainting goat

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    Well I guess im just a bad trainer lol My 8 week old foster pups were still not even close to being potty trained! let alone had any other kind of training lol
     
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    Well, young puppies can learn some amazing stuff, obedience wise. They're little sponges. But protection training or even a natural tendency to protect comes with a lot of factors, like breed and/or individual temperament, natural apptitude and maturity. I don't know what that person has in mind. Do people really think a little, tiny puppy is going to protect them? I hope they didn't read watch over as meaning protecting. I can't imagine that this person meant that.
     
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    WTH Fransheska?! 8 Weeks was PLENTY of time to have them *specially trained* and ready for active duty!

    you slacker! :rofl1:
     
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    Watch over, to me is very broad terminology. To me, "watch over" could mean that they will comfort and be your companion while your spouse is away. And when they grow up, they might really make you feel safer. I think that must be what the advertiser meant.

    Oh...never mind....the person said, "especially trained." I keep forgetting. :rofl1: It would have been fun to call and ask just exactly how she/he went about this special training. LOL
     
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    Ok, assuming you are correct..........how exactly does one go about "specially training" these pups to do so? Either a dog wants to comfort you or they don't IMO.

    Phoebe isn't an "in your business" got to be touching, following, know what you are doing at all times type of girl. She wants her space and gives you YOUR space unless you want to do an activity with her. I don't think we could train her for that if we wanted to.

    Orson came "specially trained" like that from the birth canal I believe, he'll "comfort" you to DEATH if you let him! :lol-sign:

    No, I do believe this person was trying to be purposely misleading and play on the worries of deployed soldiers. JMO

    EDIT: Sorry! Posted before you added your edit :D
     
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    For some reason I didn't read it as though they meant to guard the wives but to be there, as companion. Then again, I often misread things, so pay no attention to this post. lol
     
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    LOL Acooper. Well, let's see. Maybe this person specially trains these puppies to stalk an intruder. She gets random people to help her and they drop treats as they walk through the house. So, the puppies learn to follow people and since these puppies must look very scary,:eek: that stalking behavior just clinches the deal.:rofl1:
     
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    im sorry but I dont think it takes any special intelligence to know that this was some kind of "joke" that the person thought was funny... I dont think you need to be of high intelligence to know that dogs are not specially trained for something like this.

    The person is obviously in the military or associated with the military in some fashion (ie: "leave message during duty hours") they obviously didnt mean to offend military people... it appears lighthearted.

    And when you go flagging every person with a pet on CL how do you determine which person is a BYB and which is honestly trying to home and oops litter or a dog in need of a home?

    Since you have so much free time on your hands why not go out and do something productive to help animals?
     
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    I hardly believe I have the market cornered on this training. There are others here who are far more experienced than I am.

    I wasn't trying to be condescending. The "my dog will protect me" threads come up once in a while and half the time it's people who have a dog that one punt across the room would send the dog packing are the ones who seem to insist their dog would do it. Simply because the dog has barked or shown teeth at the mailman or some drunk on a walk doesn't mean anything. Some delusional poster on craigslist makes a similar claim and everyone pans it right away. Because it makes sense- you can't train a puppy for that. It should make sense that 9 out of 10 dogs here have the same ability as these pups but when someone posts that their poodle/lhasa mix chased away a drunk everyone talks about how protective the dog was and kudos this and congrats that.

    you are right, you'll never know about your dog until it's faced with that situation. Even your dog that did put himself between you and a threat might run away if the threat came right at him and got physical with him. The fact is, most of the general public doesn't know what a dog is capable of, and having a dog like your Dobe is enough of a threat that most people with ill intent are not going to bother you. The training I do with my dog doesn't guarantee he'll protect me when the time comes, but I at least have an understanding of what he's capable of and he has an understanding of how it works because he's seen it. He's had decoys hitting him and getting in his face so in a real life situation he's more apt to remain calm and not be scared. It's like boxing or martial arts- you spar, you train, you build confidence, but you don't do any real fighting until you have to.
     
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    ^^^agreed
     
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    What I don't understand about people flagging every little thing you don't agree with, is what do you think is going to happen to these puppies now?

    They tried finding HOMES for them and you're trying to take that opportunity away from them, so what happens then? Have you thought about it.

    The puppies go to a shelter, get dumped somewhere, all much worse fates than a craigslist ad that isn't to your liking.

    Perhaps if you aren't looking for something on the cg pets section and it upsets you so much you should just stay off of it.
     
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    Exactly my thoughts :hail:
     
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    I didn't address my feelings on flagging! <biggest point of the thread>

    NO, I do not agree with all the flagging for meaningless BS. The people who are TRYING to rehome their pets are at least trying. For whatever reason, the owners have to give it up and are at least attempting to find a decent home.

    I DO have a problem with folks trying to "rehome" all these PUPPIES (as in litters of pups) constantly. Sorry, if you are "rehoming" these pups, then show me your expenses where you NEED $250.00 for costs. Most of these pups with price tags haven't even seen the inside of a vet office............they've been alive for 5-6 weeks so I know they haven't eaten $250.00 worth of puppy chow. Why the large "rehoming fee" ?? BECAUSE NORMALLY WHEN IT'S PUPPIES (a litter) ON CRAIG'S LIST............IT'S A BYB SELLING.

    CL is FREE........the BYB doesn't even need to pay for an ad in the paper, how convenient! Just my opinion of course ;)
     
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    When I go back over this ad, I think this is a woman whose husband is away. And it does sound like she's being cute and saying these little guys will watch over you when your spouse is away. They're a great comfort and ready to defend. Haha. Just a joke to make the ad more interesting.

    2nd. There is no mention of money. It looks like she is looking for a good home and that they love kids.

    CL is a far reaching venue and I worry now, with this flagging that these puppies might not find homes. I would hope she wouldn't dump them on the side of a road. It sounds like she's enthralled with them....they love her kids, "these little guys".....but she may be forced to hang onto them until they're no longer as appealing because they're older and/or she may be forced to take them to a shelter. And who knows if they'll find a home then? Puppies and kittens are so much more adoptable and appealing to most people when they're young still. I hope she can re-word the ad and try again.
     
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    I agree with you Acooper. Huge "re-homing" or "adoption" fees are nothing more than trying to make a profit. And I totally disagree with that or repeat breedings. That goes back to what we've always talked about with respect to byb and puppy mills. I hope that isn't the case with this person. But it could be. It's hard to tell from that ad.
     
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    Charging a reasonable fee can separate the people who actually serious about getting a dog and those who turn around and sell dogs to research labs or use the dogs for illegal purposes, etc. If you can't afford an amount like $250.00, for example, then maybe getting a dog is not a good idea.
     

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