If you feel immune from BSL - List of 75 banned or restricted breeds

[Bahamutt99]

There are actually some people trying to get schools/parks to take out playground equipment, I saw it on Dateline (or something like that) a few weeks ago. They exchanged them with open fields with a few big rocks and a bridge and said that the kids should use thier imaginations .

But but but! The precious children could trip and brain themselves on the rocks! We should give them individual rubber rooms for recess time.

 

[PWCorgi]

The precious children could trip and brain themselves on the rocks!

I didn't understand that part either.

We should give them individual rubber rooms for recess time.

Oh yes, definitaly! It's the *only* way!

 

[Boemy]

Some breeds are named under "wolf-hybrid" bans or restrictions. Common theory is that all domestic dog breeds were developed from a proto-wolf ancestor. Wolf-hybrid bans could in fact encompass all domestic breeds of dogs.

Ummm, I disagree with this. That's like saying a ban on chimpanzees is a ban on humans because early homnids and chimps once interbred, so we share common ancestors.

I don't support breed bans, but I feel regarding high-content wolf hybrids as exotic pets is justified.

 

[Boemy]

But but but! The precious children could trip and brain themselves on the rocks! We should give them individual rubber rooms for recess time.

When I was little, we had these Huge Seesaws of Death on the playground that would let you down with a WHUMPH!! I loved those things. Kids will always find some way to hurt themselves, and some will always die from some misadventure or another. It's sad but inevitable. I'm tired of hearing "Think of the children, think of the children."

 

[Charliesmommy]

the number of claims paid by insurers fell from approximately 21,000 in 2002 to 15,000 in 2005 - a decrease of more than 28 percent - when insurers started to exclude specific dogs from coverage.

Not taking a side - just saying.....that is why lots of insurance companies have breed specific exclusions.

 

[Bahamutt99]

Yeah, but then what are people supposed to do with their town starts requiring insurance to own a certain breed? Naturally when you eliminate a percentage of the canine population from coverage, claims on those breeds will not be filed. Kind of like saying auto insurance providers can reduce their losses by refusing to insure SUVs. Or that health insurance providers can reduce their claims by refusing to insure smokers, or folks with allergies.

Boemy, when I was a kid playing at Queenie Park in St. Louis, there was this awesome thingy they had. I guess you would call it like a zip cord. You hold onto the handles over your head, step off the step, and slide down the cord to the other end and drop off into the sand. (Kind of like hanging onto a dog trolley system that goes downhill.) They also had these really awesome wood forts and tunnels. I just knew those things would be taken out eventually. Went back a few years ago, and saw that they'd replaced all the cool gear with ugly, "safe" plastic, and naturally the zip cord was gone.

On the wolf hybrid comment, I would have questions before supporting something like that. How do you determine content? Also, is it irrefutable fact that the percentage of wolf ancestry behind a dog is directly linked to problems?

 

[Boemy]

The zipline sounds AWESOME! When we moved from Alaska to Washington, the new school my brother went to didn't have any playground equipment, only gravel. Eventually they put in some, after he suggested it. Nothing particularly dangerous, but wilder than those people who were putting in nothing but bridges, I guess!

I don't know that I'd support a measure banning wolf dogs, but I think for a tame wolf or a high content hybrid some regulations like "have a pen this high providing this much room" makes sense. I don't know where you'd draw the line at content percent . . . I guess I'd leave that to wolf / wolf-dog experts. Of course, there's always a chance you'll have a high content wolf-dog that acts very "doggy" . . . It's the genetic lottery, the same way that any given labradoodle may or may not shed. But my understanding is that most of them have at least some wolfish traits that make them very much unlike a dog to live with and raise.

Here's an article from WolfPark.org called So You Think You Want a Wolf? which is really eye-opening . . . The line that impressed me the most was:

It is not fair to the animal to get it, have problems with it, then kill it for doing what wolves can do.

If people want a wolf-dog, they need to understand the worst case scenario (that they might end up with a very wolfy animal who cannot be kept in the house and can't safely be around humans) and who understand what to do in order to try for the best case scenario (an animal that can live in the house and interact appropriately with humans. Maybe people should have to take some sort of test.

Content is determined on a purely mathematical basis. If you breed a wolf and a dog, you have a 50% wolf hybrid. If you breed the 50% hybrid to a wolf, you have a 75% hybrid. If you breed the 50% hybrid to a dog, you have a 25% hybrid.

 

[Bahamutt99]

The problem with that is, since wolves don't exactly have a traceable pedigree, who determines that a wolf is, in fact, a wolf? Or if they are half wolf and look like one? If you have an unregistered husky, do you know for a fact that there isn't wolf blood already behind them? See what I mean? Its kind of like the regulation of "pit bull-type" dogs when you get into the area of mixes and dogs that look like them.

FWIW, I totally agree that people who get the animals need to be prepared. If everybody would do that, we probably wouldn't even be having a discussion about bans.

 

[ToscasMom]

There are actually some people trying to get schools/parks to take out playground equipment

In many quarters, most people don't even have to try. School districts have removed play equipment because they know that as soon as a kid skins his knee, there will be a huge lawsuit. They just don't want the liability anymore and insurers won't insure many school districts unless they remove these potential 'hazards'...meaning potential "litigation".

But the difference to the general public between getting hit in the head with a swing and getting maimed by a dog is they consider the first an accident and the second an attack.

 

[blue]

A HS friend had a hybrid that was "85%" wolf, I have no way of verifying that.

Kryptos was hit with a stick for over 45 minutes trying to be friendly with a 10 year old child. When Kryp took the kids wrist in his mouth he only held it so the kid would stop hitting him. He didnt break the skin, the witnessess vouched for Kryptos acting friendly during the attack and after he stopped it. Knowing that dog, all he wanted was an ear scratching, even after getting hit repeatedly by a stick.

From local stories, news and other wise, Kryp was out of the ordinary for the "breed".

 

[GipsyQueen]

Ok wow... I just saw that list... Gipsy's on it! :-O Wow. Thats all I can say. That list is pathetic.

 

[cece4]

Surprised they didnt have chihuahuas on the list, Ive known a few that would take your fingers off....

We have a local ban on pitbulls in our town.I am scared of pitbulls myself.(I guess if I knew one personally it might be different)They also tried to ban rottweilers but thankfully it didnt pass because at that time(almost 8yrs ago) we had a rottie( he is at the rainbow bridge now).

 

[MoonStr80]

This is bunch of crock

 

[dakota41394]

Responsible ownership

Since I was a Gsd owner for over 20 years, I found that the OWNER is what makes the dog behave the way they do. It is up to the OWNER to socialize the dog (whatever the breed) and train them to have the manners and social skills they need to be accepted by the general public. Training attack dogs is NOT THE ANSWER!

 

[Kayota]

What's going to happen when a blind person with a GSD or Golden Retriever service dog moves into a city that's banned them?

 

[Lilavati]

The disabled person wins. The ADA protects the right of people to use assistance animals over local law. The Supremacy clause of the Constitution means federal law trumps local and state law. Unless they can provide a really, really compelling vital interest, with no way other than forbidding service dogs of that breed to be there to serve that interest, BSL loses . . . and I can't think of such an interest . . . vague ideas about dangerous breeds doesn't cut it.

 

[Bahamutt99]

Sometimes the disabled person wins. I read an article recently about a disabled vet who has to move -- I think he lives in military housing -- because his service dog in training (a Pit Bull) isn't allowed.

 

[Lilavati]

Two possibilities . . . in training doesn't count, or he didn't get a good enough lawyer.

 

[Bahamutt99]

Service dogs in training are supposed to be granted the same rights as those who are trained. Especially because there is no standard that defines a service dog, so nobody can say at what point they are officially official. At least that's what I was told. He probably can't afford a lawyer either, being a DV. From what I've gleaned, the military can make their own rules with regard to that kind of thing. Sucks.

 

[Plushie]

GOLDEN RETRIEVER?????????? Oh, yes....they're sooooo viscious! One might just PLAY you to death!

... I was mauled by a golden retriever when I was 6 and have scars to prove it. Very scary moment. >.< That was just the individual dog though.

What the heck?! Labs? Goldens? What are these people getting at? Why don't we just ban animals all together? It's like people with black hair not allowed to hang out with blondes or something. -.-