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My mice were pretty simple creatures, what specific care do rats have that a humane society can't do? Certainly you want to make sure they are committed to finding a good rat home, of course.

I know Portland's Oregon Humane Society adopts out rats and other smaller animals.
 

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No, I'm not going to give the rats to an animal shelter or a humane society. I only want to work with rescues that specialize in rats and know about what kind of care they need.
You need to dwindle your numbers. I don't know that you're in a position where you can allow to be that picky. It is certainly not the worst option.
 
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You need to dwindle your numbers. I don't know that you're in a position where you can allow to be that picky. It is certainly not the worst option.
That's true, that's true. I just don't want them to be kept in tanks, or on the wrong bedding, because it could cause their Myco to flare up again, which requires costly and time consuming treatment. :( I will contact them and ask. But I'm not going to send them anywhere where they will not receive the correct care. I'd rather starve myself than send my animals somewhere where they are not cared for properly. So I'll see.
 

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Yes, SevenSins was banned. Not for anything he said to the OP. He was told to knock it off and he didn't and gave his little "parting shot", which it turns out, it was.

Call the length excessive or not. It doesn't matter. Just because we've let a lot of things go in the past doesn't mean it will continue. It's one of the forum rules. Treat each other with respect. And it also says if you are contacted by a moderator about an issue, treat them with respect.

There is no "divide and conquer" here. We discussed it among the moderators and everyone was in agreement that a ban was in order. So it's done.
Well, I am going to go against the grain and say that I completely support the mod's decision to temporarily ban this member. I am not aware of other cases with similar behaviour that was ignored, maybe I am not active enough on here, but as far as this thread goes this member blatantly broke this rule:

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He got warned, he didn't listen, so he has been banned for 90 days. I don't think that is unfair at all.
 

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That's true, that's true. I just don't want them to be kept in tanks, or on the wrong bedding, because it could cause their Myco to flare up again, which requires costly and time consuming treatment. :( I will contact them and ask. But I'm not going to send them anywhere where they will not receive the correct care. I'd rather starve myself than send my animals somewhere where they are not cared for properly. So I'll see.
I know that at our local shelter the rats are kept in tanks, which is a no, no for rats.
 

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That's true, that's true. I just don't want them to be kept in tanks, or on the wrong bedding, because it could cause their Myco to flare up again, which requires costly and time consuming treatment. :( I will contact them and ask. But I'm not going to send them anywhere where they will not receive the correct care. I'd rather starve myself than send my animals somewhere where they are not cared for properly. So I'll see.
I'm going to echo Southpaw... your options are pretty limited here. I doubt rat-focused rescues will have the budget to handle 40+ rats, many of which are sick/aggressive.

A humane society or animal shelter will likely ethically euthanize the rats that they cannot care for. I hate to say it but that seems to be your only option at this point that doesn't involve ridiculous amounts of donations, travel, or other expenses.
 

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The numbers need to be dwindled. Period. Myco can be brought on by stress and being kept in huge groups of sickly populations cannot be healthy and is probably exacerbating the situation.

A rat rescue would be ideal, but they're usually overtaxed and spread thin as it is. Much less taking in a large group of animals who all need months of care and costly surgeries. Add in males who cannot be housed with other males and you're making it double difficult for them.

I love rats, I own rats and have for years. But this is not a healthy situation.

No, I don't think they should be fed to snakes. Not only because they are, by and large, pets, but because I don't think feeding rats with cancer is wise anyway.

Yes, the rat community did help shuffle hundreds and hundreds of rats to shelters after the Hoarders case, however, last I had heard, many of those rats were still unadopted today and living at rescues. I don't necessarily feel that it's any healthier for a rat to live in a rescue for years than I do a dog or cat.

I think humane euthanasia at the vet is wise for a number of the sickliest rats. (for the record, at my workplace, we gas the rats, then do the heart stick.And they're put in with the communal cremations when they're taken away)

It's great if your numbers have been halved, but if you recently had 80+ rats, that's even more concerning.
 

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Well if that's my only option, I guess I'm screwed. Because I won't be taking that route.
What other options can you draw at this point? I'm asking honestly, I don't intend to sound jeering.

I'm making the decision sound easy, and it's not. It's really not. At all. But the situation is a unique one in the sheer amount of animals requiring care. Surely you can also see that your options are severely limited by this?
 

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I don't think it's unrealistic to say it's possible for her to regroup, contact other, farther private rescues, utilize the help offered here for transport, and humanely euthanize some of the sickest rats, without having to put many of these animals in more inadequate housing at a large shelter.

Again, people would likely not suggest anyone here put a dog or cat in a humane society or public shelter without trying their absolute hardest to get a rescue to help out.
 
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I think humane euthanasia at the vet is wise for a number of the sickliest rats. (for the record, at my workplace, we gas the rats, then do the heart stick.And they're put in with the communal cremations when they're taken away)

It's great if your numbers have been halved, but if you recently had 80+ rats, that's even more concerning.
But only one is sickly, that's the thing. It's been majorly dramatized that I have tons of sick rats...they aren't SICK. They are perfectly adoptable...which is why I have a problem with them being euthanized.
 

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Again, people would likely not suggest anyone here put a dog or cat in a humane society or public shelter without trying their absolute hardest to get a rescue to help out.
And again, we are dealing with 40+ rats, not to mention a myriad of other animals that Bre is finding daily care difficult for. Not a single animal, or even 2 or 3.
 

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I do think you need to consider not only euthanizing however many very sick rats you have, but any that are aggressive, as well. I don't know if you mean aggressive towards other rats, or towards people/handling...or how easy it is to place a rat-aggressive rat in a home (not easy, from the sounds of it), but if the aggressive behavior, whether or not it will be fixed by a neuter, is going to hurt the rat's chances of adoption, it might be best to euthanize those rats and focus your energy on the ones that have a higher chances of becoming loved pets.
 

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That's true, that's true. I just don't want them to be kept in tanks, or on the wrong bedding, because it could cause their Myco to flare up again, which requires costly and time consuming treatment. :( I will contact them and ask. But I'm not going to send them anywhere where they will not receive the correct care. I'd rather starve myself than send my animals somewhere where they are not cared for properly. So I'll see.
I suppose it's probably likely they use pine bedding, but they could very well use wire cages. It's definitely worth checking out, though.

What's the age range on these guys? I would probably skip the spays and neuters - my understanding is that the benefits of spaying are pretty much only reaped if they are spayed asap. If they've already began developing tumors.... spaying won't prevent more from forming. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are the rats with tumors the ones being spayed, are the tumors being removed? And from a financial standpoint, I don't think the neuters are worth it, if they are only being done in the hopes of diminishing the rat-rat aggression.

Again, people would likely not suggest anyone here put a dog or cat in a humane society or public shelter without trying their absolute hardest to get a rescue to help out.
If it were one dog or cat, maybe not. If there were many dogs/cats, and depending on the specific details of the situation? Again, a humane society would probably not be the worst option.
 
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I do think you need to consider not only euthanizing however many very sick rats you have, but any that are aggressive, as well. I don't know if you mean aggressive towards other rats, or towards people/handling...or how easy it is to place a rat-aggressive rat in a home (not easy, from the sounds of it), but if the aggressive behavior, whether or not it will be fixed by a neuter, is going to hurt the rat's chances of adoption, it might be best to euthanize those rats and focus your energy on the ones that have a higher chances of becoming loved pets.
Yes, rat-rat aggression. And no, I don't agree with that at all. Would you euth. a pit because it's aggressive with other dogs? I mean come on. These rats are bomb proof with people - just too dominant with other rats...
 

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