How do I teach my dog to lay down?

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    How do I teach him to lay down? It took me a couple seconds to teach him how to sit (such a good boy:)), but I'm having some trouble with this one.... any help will be appreciated
     
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    Put him in the sit position- then, put the treat in front of his face and bring it down-- most times he'll go in the lay down position himself but he may need some encouragement (if he doesn't do it, gently assist him).

    When he goes into that position, praise him and give him the treat.
     
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    thanks
     
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    if he is resistant and you are assisting him..put your thumb and forefinger right behind the shoulderblades one finger on each side..there is a pressure point there that puts them almost instantly into a down.It doesn't cause them pain, i have never had a dog act anyway fearful or pain reactive, they just lay down if you have the right spot..Vic was like i get it..ok..and that was that.
     
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    I just tried that with Sawyer...I don't think I've got the right spot. I can feel him bowing his back to get away from the pressure and eventually he lays down, but it's nothing quick.
     
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    Hmm, I didn't know about the pressure points. That's a useful thing to know. My baby Zeus, who is sweet as molassas and sometimes just as slow, never did figure out the whole "follow the treat" idea. After days of trying to get him to sit with a treat, I finally had to break down and gently push in on his rear legs, manuvering him into position. Same with down: I had to lift his forelegs and carefully lower him to the ground. It never scared or hurt him, so you might try it if the other methods don't work.
     
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    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    maybe tomorrow i can draw a little diagram..i dont know what person taught me the two spots..the other for sit but oh my does it ever work. The lady i painted her "snowdog" was wrestling with her dog trying to get her to sit,and i walked over and said try this..she said "show me that again" i did..she said wow..i am not a treat advocator for training...with the bird dogs in field work it was forbidden..they were to work for one reason only and that was praise/love..and encouragement. I know the mintute kelly shows up at the water with her treats on her (or other people that smell just yummy" i have lost Mary's focus completely. Victor is abosultely not food motivated and that is just fine with me. i will see if i can draw it and explain better for it really works..and is instantanious (sp?) Snow dog was a Great Pyr so seeing the woman struggle was just awful..this allowed her to have total control.
     
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    wow, no treats? I grabbed his collar, pulled it up (gently), and pushed (gently) his bottom down and he would sit. As I was doing this I was saying "sit", then I would give him a treat and tell him he was the greatest pup :D. After doing it a couple times he got the idea, lol. I was suprised how easy it was to teach him to sit.
     
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    To teach Saywer to sit I held a treat a few inches in front of his nose and then slowly moved it to a point up behind his head. In order to follow the treat, he had to sit. Butt hits the ground, treat hits the mouth. Now I just have to make a flicking motion with a loosely closed fist (like I'm holding a treat) for him to sit.
     
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    I know quite a few trainers that use no treats. They are almost all hunting/herding dog trainers. Makes sense to me: in the field or out on the ranch, you can't be fumbling for treats all the time.
     
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    He goes crazy when he sees a treat, or he thinks he sees a treat. So I have to put my hands behind my back like I'm Morphieus from the matrix and say sit...
     
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    Is there a way where I can switch? I'm sure that'll save me and my parents a couple bucks
     
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    Sawyer isn't terribly food motivated so I only use treats when teaching a new behavior. Once he's got it most of the way I just use praise. He responds well to clapping now. ;)

    My agility trainer can't get that through his head though; he actually chastized me for not heaping on the treats and praise. I tried telling him that my dog isn't all that food motivated and he interprets praise as a release command, but I don't think he believed me.
     
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    Sure! Nothing hard about it. The only time I ever use treats with Zeus is when he's learning something new. Just stop using treats, and use praise. Tell your pup what a wonderful, brilliant dog he is, and be sure you mean it.

    At first, once he sees there are no treats, he'll probably stop listening as well as he used to. That's easy to fix though. All you have to do is always, ALWAYS, be sure he does the command when you tell him. Don't let him get away with ignoring you. He'll come around, and he'll realize that your approval is at least as wonderful as Scooby Snacks. :D But there is no harm in giving the occassional munchie, heh.
     
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    :D, ok thanks, gempress
     
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    praise is all a good bird dog ever needs..i mean think about it..you don't want to send a dog out to retrieve a bird..that is hot, bloody, and tasty having him think oh boy im gonna get a cracker when i get back..would be like you having a huge slice of pizza when your hungry and bringing to me for a pretzel reward. Not only that most hunters will tell you that a dog works better on an empty stomach..take them out full they are lazy and not quick on their feet. I have never had the same reaction with treats as with praise. The focus is on all the wrong things..i want their focus on me. The only thing i teach with a treat is to sit pretty..that's it. oh and when i want them to say thank you..i point to my ear and say "tell them thanks" or Say goodbye whatever and when Victor speaks people think he is saying what ever i said..instead of being cued by my discreet pointing to my ear..that is the only other treat trick..that is different from "working"
     
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    BD and I are gonna have to learn the speak/ear trick. gonna have to
     
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    Misha is like Cooper, it is all about the treats with her and she goes crazy if she thinks I have something tasty for her. It took us a while to get a good lie down, but I used clicker training and that seemed to appeal to her food motivation. At first she would lie down with a moan and a sigh, as though she couldn't really be bothered and would only do it for treats. But now, she just goes straight down if she is told to, or for a toy etc. Good luck with Cooper - love that pic of him on your signature.
     
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    lol, thanks Martine :D
     

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