Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by RobinKalmick, Apr 8, 2006.
Be truthful ..... if I was still breeding the way I used to , would you be for or agin me ?
It depends on the question. This person is CLEARLY a BYB. If red posted a question AND outlined her breeding program ect.. then NO, personaly I wouldnt.
Bubbatd - What was your breeding program? I just know you bred goldens
Grammy was a good breeder. And this person is not clearly a byb. She's clearly a kid who wants a puppy but doens't know the best way to go about it. At least she's asking questions. She hasn't bred anything yet.
I've already stated that I'm breeding my dog, in more than one thread even, and no one has jumped down my throat.
I missed those threads. Is it the belgian in your sig? male/female? Tittles? Health testing, ect..
You can see a lot of that on her site. Link is in her sig.
Saje is correct, the link in my sig explains all of that.
I've talked about my plans to start a breeding program in the future, and no one's jumped down my throat either.
I'll be the last person on Earth to jump all over someone who is making an attempt at responsible breeding. But this is so *obviously* not the case. It's clear that she just wants one puppy (she said so herself), and in that case, why not save the money, the time, the effort, and the potential (and very likely heartache), and just buy a dog from a *responsible* breeder, a rescue, or a shelter?
It makes next to no sense to breed an entire litter because you want just one pup. Why risk the safety of the dam? (Who won't be that nice, because any breeder of merit will be running in the opposite direction of the stud- who is quite cute, but by no means a fabulous example of the breed).
What happens if only one puppy is born or survives? It's the owners of the dam's prerogative as to where the puppies go. In most cases like this, the owners of the stud would get a stud fee, but they wouldn't get the pup. These are things you need to think about in detail before you decide that breeding dogs is all fun and games.
Puppies are fun- no doubt about that. But the truth of the matter is that raising a litter is *not* fun. ESPECIALLY if something goes wrong. Is she prepared to put down puppies with horrible birth defects? One of my mentors has had to do this once (BTW, this was in a litter in which both parents were fully health-tested champions- so it happens even to the BEST breeders), and she said it was heartbreaking. Don't look at this as us talking down to her, or being "mean." Look at it as a group of concerned people who have some real experience in this area, and are trying to shield her from a situation that is more than likely going to be a lot less rosey than she pictured it.
Once again- if this is really just about the fact that Robin wants a puppy, then *buying* one makes a WHOLE lot more sense. It's *far* less expensive, and she can get *exactly* what she wants. Why take all these risks when they're COMPLETELY unecessary to achieve the goal she's trying to meet? IMHO, that's pretty selfish.
I've mentioned more than once that I may very well breed my youngest Chow someday. No one has jumped down my throat.
It's not responsible breeding that is at question, it's breeding for all the wrong reasons. There are thousands of unwanted dogs out there now, many bred by people who just did it as a whim - maybe they wanted a puppy, maybe they didn't keep a good eye on their bitch, maybe they thought they were going to make some money. If someone just wants a dog of no particular decent breeding, then they can pick and choose from a shelter or rescue.
But the responsible breeders have a huge goal in mind - a goal to produce dogs that are excellent examples of their breed. With that goal comes all the right choices .. health tests, breed surveys or titles, performance titles, etc. And what also comes along with that is an honest assessment of your dog's good and bad traits, and a knowledge of the background of the dog you're planning on breeding to your dog so that you can avoid strengthening the bad traits and accomplish strengthening the good traits.
Breeding shouldn't be willy-nilly, regardless of your country (why the heck would anyone bring country or government into this? Ridiculous!). Breeding should be FOR THE GOOD OF THE BREED.
Melanie and the gang in Alaska
On the upper right corner of my posts...my profile says Idaho which is in America. Maybe there is an Idaho somewhere else. That could be. If you look at the regulatory restrictions placed on US citizens compared to many other countries, government taxed programs and ecconomy, laws etc, I think there's no argument that the U.S. is still a freer country.
That aside, Melanie is quite correct. That has nothing to do with what country one is from. Breeding without a scientific basis is irresponsible and contributes to the deterioration of a breed which responsible breeders have striven to improve and exact for a long time. One or two generations can ruin a lot. And it adds to the misery of unadopted dogs in shelters.
We had tried to be friendly in the beginning. We hadn't jumped down her throat, we had asked about her experience and what health tests she had done with her dog. She replied "Yes he has vet checkups", then we told her that they aren't the same. She then said that she wanted a puppy from him, and we said it would be cheaper to go to a shelter (by alot!) and she should go there because there are potential risks with birth. Then she had gotten very sour with us on page 3, so yes some may had been angry by that time. But it was apparent that just saying things kindly without trying to be rude wasn't working. This is a very serious matter that needs to be handled seriously, and someone who has their mind set on a puppy from their dog (especially someone a bit young) that won't change their mind needs to get the hard facts, and as you can see, she understood them after a while.
Hopefully, she'll make the right choice now.
I think we've gotten our points across ..... let's bow out and let us see her decision. I really don't want to lock this, if anyone has further issues, start a new thread which will be unrelated to this.