I really know better then to post on these types of threads, but I can't help myself. Chugalug- You love your dog. From what you say, you take better care of him then most. He gets a lot of attention, you have trained him and you say he is a good dog. Does it REALLY matter that he is on the patio? I know that is what this post is all about, but I look at these things like this.... I have been married for 16 years and on occasion my husband will do something or aquire a habit that I don't like. Instead of getting all bent out of shape (ok, I do at first, but once I calm down.....) I think, is this worth getting a divorce over? I guess I would think of your dog that way. I think he sounds like a wonderful guy and you really seem to care for him. If you try everything in your power and he WON"T stay off the patio, is it worth getting rid of him over? I don't think so, but only you and your family can decide. I don't really think your dog is wanting in the house, per se, he is just wanting your company. My children want my company most of the time, but it is not always possible and they must wait. Yes, they may sit at the counter and stare at me or whine at me, but dinner must be cooked, dishes must be done, etc. When I get done, we spend time together and they forget all about the time they waited. Yes, I have an inside dog, but I have had 2 outside dogs (they wouldn't come in the house for anything even though they would whine like they wanted to). As far as getting another dog? I think it would be a good idea (companionshipwise for your dog), but I do think you would just end up with 2 dogs on the patio! Anyway, good luck to you and Happy New Year
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Dear Moderators, this thread has run it's course. It's already turned into a forum for blithering idiots to lose control of their faculties, doggie extremists to grand stand and the few people that have taken the time to understand and post valuable information have been and gone.
Time to LOCK IT UP.
Time to LOCK IT UP.
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I know that *I* haven't been help. I didn't have any good advice for you to help your dog become less independant, I could only inform you that this breed was, indeed, a breed that enjoyed to be around their family. That is why I tried to keep out of it for the most part, and tried my hardest to be polite, but still give out information. But, others HAVE given you good advice, and others on this forum have tried to help by giving out suggestions.
With that said, I do not know how I am "pounding my views", when I stopped posting on the original topic quite a while ago(because I did realize that I wasn't being of any service). When I did try to help by giving out knowledge that I did have(about the dog food) you didn't seem interested. Which is alright, because this thread was not asking about dog food. Again, I stopped posting on the original topic quite a while ago(which is why I really don't understand why I am posting at this very minute-I guess that I have spent most of my time on this thread venting about the rudeness and the lack of educating) so I still do not understand how I am "pounding my views". I gave up on that a long time from now. In fact, I did even stick up for you when someone attacked you about the dog not getting attention/excersize/training(not quite sure what the attack was about, but I did defend you because I did realize that you said the dog did get training and excersize).
Also, not to be rude, and I apologize if this is not what you meant to imply, but it seems that you are being sarcastic when you say, "tessa_s212, I know you're a good girl, you are don't sleep around with guys, you love your dogs and that you are a mature 15 year old."
With that said, I do not know how I am "pounding my views", when I stopped posting on the original topic quite a while ago(because I did realize that I wasn't being of any service). When I did try to help by giving out knowledge that I did have(about the dog food) you didn't seem interested. Which is alright, because this thread was not asking about dog food. Again, I stopped posting on the original topic quite a while ago(which is why I really don't understand why I am posting at this very minute-I guess that I have spent most of my time on this thread venting about the rudeness and the lack of educating) so I still do not understand how I am "pounding my views". I gave up on that a long time from now. In fact, I did even stick up for you when someone attacked you about the dog not getting attention/excersize/training(not quite sure what the attack was about, but I did defend you because I did realize that you said the dog did get training and excersize).
Also, not to be rude, and I apologize if this is not what you meant to imply, but it seems that you are being sarcastic when you say, "tessa_s212, I know you're a good girl, you are don't sleep around with guys, you love your dogs and that you are a mature 15 year old."
It was sure premature to announce the people that time to understand and post valuable information have come and gone.
Tracy, you've so beautifully articulated the point that I reached. I completely agree with you that it's not inside he wants, it's the company. I know with love, a will to make it work and the idea's that you and some others have posted, I'm confident we'll work out not only a way to live together, but to thrive together.
Thank you Tracy and Happy New Year to you.
Tracy, you've so beautifully articulated the point that I reached. I completely agree with you that it's not inside he wants, it's the company. I know with love, a will to make it work and the idea's that you and some others have posted, I'm confident we'll work out not only a way to live together, but to thrive together.
Thank you Tracy and Happy New Year to you.
I think the moderators here love dogs, that is why they take their time to be on a site like this. And I think too that they are well aware of this thread and do not need to be directed. There are those who are outraged by the points of view in this thread, and allowing them to express how they feel no matter how long it takes is healthy and appropriate.
I am new here, as are you; I have seen some interesting categories of people who post. One is a category where the poster has already chosen the outcome and is posting to gain an affirmation of his or her choice.
Sometimes, as here, that does not happen. When the vast majority of people post something that is contrary to one's views, perhaps it is time to have the courage to look into one's own decisions rather than calling others 'blithering idiots' and rationalizing away the reasons others are not agreeing with the point of view one has espoused.
There are two sides to every conflict and usually there is a bit of right on each side. To gain value, you must appreciate what the other side is saying and certainly not call names.
Chugalug, you have turned this into an ad hominem argument:
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument to the man") or attacking the messenger, is a logical fallacy that involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself.
I suggest that you retrieve the thoughts that made you post in the first place, review the responses you received, and direct your attention to finding answers.
Those who took the time to post should receive thanks, they did so to try to help because of their love of dogs, that is why we are all here.
I am new here, as are you; I have seen some interesting categories of people who post. One is a category where the poster has already chosen the outcome and is posting to gain an affirmation of his or her choice.
Sometimes, as here, that does not happen. When the vast majority of people post something that is contrary to one's views, perhaps it is time to have the courage to look into one's own decisions rather than calling others 'blithering idiots' and rationalizing away the reasons others are not agreeing with the point of view one has espoused.
There are two sides to every conflict and usually there is a bit of right on each side. To gain value, you must appreciate what the other side is saying and certainly not call names.
Chugalug, you have turned this into an ad hominem argument:
An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument to the man") or attacking the messenger, is a logical fallacy that involves replying to an argument or assertion by attacking the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself.
I suggest that you retrieve the thoughts that made you post in the first place, review the responses you received, and direct your attention to finding answers.
Those who took the time to post should receive thanks, they did so to try to help because of their love of dogs, that is why we are all here.
Yeah whatever, I have to trust you on your word because I don't know what you are talking about and judging by your general tone, I don't think I care to know.
Actually, I didn't agree or disagree with you. You were changing words around so you can come here and score points. I'm sorry but I don't have a latin word to describe that.
Actually, I didn't agree or disagree with you. You were changing words around so you can come here and score points. I'm sorry but I don't have a latin word to describe that.
No, no, no, you got it wrong. That's what you told me and I sincerely believed you. You're only taking it as sarcastic because you don't like me which is OK, I can live with that.
To help you better understand. Say you went down the mall one day and they were having a big health fair at the pharmacy. There was a naturopath, someone taking blood pressure and a dietician. Sounds like a joke doesn't it? but I assure you it's not. All these people were behind a long table and all the visitors (including yourself) would file past each one and spend a minute answering your question, a bit like speed dating, not like that's something you'll ever need to worry about.
You tell the naturopath that you have a persistant itch and the naturopath gives you a spiel how the drug companies are greedy and they make drugs that you get immune to them so you'll need more tablets in the future.
The blood pressure guy takes your blood pressure and goes off into a spiel how discrimination against male nurses is still going on.
The dietican tells you that you can afford to lose a few pounds and asks you what your favorite meals are? You tell her, steak and chicken and the dietician asks, when you eat steak or chicken, what else do you have in the plate and you say, french fries. The dietician asks, is there anything else you have with your meal and you say, sure, a glass of milk. In the last 20 seconds, the dietican advises you that the steak or chicken should constitute a 3rd of your meal, another 3rd should be vegetables and the last 3rd should be carbohydrates. And, have a glass of water with your meal. Try that for a month and you should lose 2-5 lbs.
Now Tessa, out of the 3, who do you think is giving advice, who do you think is giving you value and who do you think is grandstanding?
I hope you now understand why I find it difficult to tolerate many of the posts I've gotten.
To help you better understand. Say you went down the mall one day and they were having a big health fair at the pharmacy. There was a naturopath, someone taking blood pressure and a dietician. Sounds like a joke doesn't it? but I assure you it's not. All these people were behind a long table and all the visitors (including yourself) would file past each one and spend a minute answering your question, a bit like speed dating, not like that's something you'll ever need to worry about.
You tell the naturopath that you have a persistant itch and the naturopath gives you a spiel how the drug companies are greedy and they make drugs that you get immune to them so you'll need more tablets in the future.
The blood pressure guy takes your blood pressure and goes off into a spiel how discrimination against male nurses is still going on.
The dietican tells you that you can afford to lose a few pounds and asks you what your favorite meals are? You tell her, steak and chicken and the dietician asks, when you eat steak or chicken, what else do you have in the plate and you say, french fries. The dietician asks, is there anything else you have with your meal and you say, sure, a glass of milk. In the last 20 seconds, the dietican advises you that the steak or chicken should constitute a 3rd of your meal, another 3rd should be vegetables and the last 3rd should be carbohydrates. And, have a glass of water with your meal. Try that for a month and you should lose 2-5 lbs.
Now Tessa, out of the 3, who do you think is giving advice, who do you think is giving you value and who do you think is grandstanding?
I hope you now understand why I find it difficult to tolerate many of the posts I've gotten.
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Okay guys, please can we stop? We need to stop thinking of ourselves and keep the spotlight on the dog. Let everyone post their opinion; doesn't mean you have to use their suggestion. If someone makes you angry, who cares? Getting mad at them is only fueling the fire and giving them what they want.
Back to the dog; okay, so it wants more attention. I still think that he should be allowed inside or rehomed, but because that isn't an option, then we will have to brainstorm something new. Any ideas?
~Emily
Back to the dog; okay, so it wants more attention. I still think that he should be allowed inside or rehomed, but because that isn't an option, then we will have to brainstorm something new. Any ideas?
~Emily
I agree, we need to talk about the dog instead of avoiding the issue originally presented:
Here, Chugalug wrote:
"The problem that we have is that he constantly wants to climb up on the patio and sit and stare at us through the glass doors. The closer his nose is to the glass, the happier the dog is. The problem with this is the muddy paw prints all over the patio tiles and my family doesn't like being stared at while we go about our lives and when we have visitors, it's downright embarassing. I know the dog wants to come in and be part of the family but that can't happen not now, not ever."
How can this dog be part of the family?
Here, Chugalug wrote:
"The problem that we have is that he constantly wants to climb up on the patio and sit and stare at us through the glass doors. The closer his nose is to the glass, the happier the dog is. The problem with this is the muddy paw prints all over the patio tiles and my family doesn't like being stared at while we go about our lives and when we have visitors, it's downright embarassing. I know the dog wants to come in and be part of the family but that can't happen not now, not ever."
How can this dog be part of the family?
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