How can I stop this?
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Yes, I did read all of it. And in my opinion there is more to the responsibility of good dog ownership than just taking care of "it" him or her. I am definately not trying to pick a fight with the great members of chaz, which I respect your opinion always! But, this seems like a circumstance of "it is only a dog", well IMO when you take on that responsibility you should also expect the mess that comes with the dog. If they don't want the mess, then maybe an animal with lesser requirements should be considered, such as a fish. A labrador retriever is really not a well suited dog for the clean freak. They shed, drool, puke, and poop. They thrive on being included in the family. They work for the ones that they bond to. They are very active and need alot of interaction. A yard dog is really no more than that, with very few exceptions....
If your home is too perfect for a dog to become a member, then why get a dog that thrives on your attention? A better alternative would be a fish, they can stare at you all they want through the tank, and I am sure OP would not be embarrased for that.
And I know children, if they love the dog outside, I am sure they would want the dog inside too....they are just like that.
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How could anyone deny memories like these:
If your home is too perfect for a dog to become a member, then why get a dog that thrives on your attention? A better alternative would be a fish, they can stare at you all they want through the tank, and I am sure OP would not be embarrased for that.
And I know children, if they love the dog outside, I am sure they would want the dog inside too....they are just like that.
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How could anyone deny memories like these:
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He Heyyyyy.....keep the comments coming. I just adore the passion that you people here have for your dog. I have alot for mine but I understand that I can have more and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Here's some pictures of the poor, unhappy, depressed, isolated, mistreated, unloved and disrespected pooch.
He's my 4th lab since I was a boy and he is so needy. The other 3 were reasonably independent.
Here's some pictures of the poor, unhappy, depressed, isolated, mistreated, unloved and disrespected pooch.
He's my 4th lab since I was a boy and he is so needy. The other 3 were reasonably independent.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jumping to worst case conclusions. That's OK, it gives me insight into the objectivity of the advice.
Well I have put myself in the dogs place and my conclusion is that as a dog, living under my care that I should be grateful that I'm not sold off to someone then, resold by the pound and be the featured dish on the specials board in some restaurant in chinatown.
Well I have put myself in the dogs place and my conclusion is that as a dog, living under my care that I should be grateful that I'm not sold off to someone then, resold by the pound and be the featured dish on the specials board in some restaurant in chinatown.
I think our point is just that you didn't pick the best breed for an outside dog. At this point I think you've just been lucky that your first three labs were independent, because the breed really isn't. But again, it might be because he was seperated from his mom too young for all I know.
So I'm just wondering why you chose to get a lab instead of a more independent breed?
So I'm just wondering why you chose to get a lab instead of a more independent breed?
I think that the fact that you EVEN came on this forum, shows you love your dog. You came here for advice. You pup looks beautiful by the way. Like I said in another post, this is a dog forum, made up by various owners and dog lovers....a huge melting pot. I wish you the best of luck, for you, your family and your dog. Let us know what goes on....
Amy
Amy
Well, I have realized you can't change everyone. Any dog owner to even joke about letting someone eat his dog is sickening to me. Hell, you could be totally serious I don't know.
Your dog looks like he gets plenty to eat that's for sure, but his emotional well being will never be known by any of us. Not that you care about that........you just want a cure for the dirty sliding glass door and the stares he gives your family while you are going about your business. And because OMG, he might embarass you with the stares he gives you while you have company. Someone already mentioned getting a drape to hang over the doors, maybe that would help, at least you would not be constantly reminded that your loyal friend is still waiting to be included. And maybe you would not be embarassed of the loyal friend when company visits.
In my house if I have company and they don't welcome my four legged friends, then they leave pretty quickly. lol
Julie.
Your dog looks like he gets plenty to eat that's for sure, but his emotional well being will never be known by any of us. Not that you care about that........you just want a cure for the dirty sliding glass door and the stares he gives your family while you are going about your business. And because OMG, he might embarass you with the stares he gives you while you have company. Someone already mentioned getting a drape to hang over the doors, maybe that would help, at least you would not be constantly reminded that your loyal friend is still waiting to be included. And maybe you would not be embarassed of the loyal friend when company visits.
In my house if I have company and they don't welcome my four legged friends, then they leave pretty quickly. lol
Julie.
Fran27, thanks for posting and I appreciate your comments. I agree it's a choice. After 30 years of labs, I got no interest in other breeds but Boris and Tips are exceptionally gorgeous.
tintinabuation, thanks for your comments. I understand the responsbility of ownership. It's not my first dog by any means or the last. I've always had labs, it's just that this particular dog is so needy. Society has great disdain for needy people but needy dogs need to be accomodated? I don't get it.
Julie, you post has me thinking. Because he's only 2 and was separated from his mom at 6 weeks, maybe he'll grow out of this neediness. I have seen needy dogs but they tended to be smaller, lapdog breeds. Not big dogs so that's why this one surprises me. I guess I'm looking at buying time to see if he grows out of it.
Saje, the bond you speak of I think is unhealthy in my opinion. The bond between me and my dog is like what a wild west cowboy had with his dog. You know, a man's dog and not this whingy, whiny mutt that wants to be the center of attention all the time.
tessa s212, oh no, not you again. I've taken an instant dislike of your ignorance. My offer still stands....buzz off.
RD, sorry to break your heart, it was not my intention.
Doberluv, I walk the dog without a leash for an hour a day. If the dog decided that this is enough, he is free to run away at any time. I wouldn't chase him. I would respect his choice. To this point, the dog has decided that he wants to be with us.
Julie, those pics are priceless and by the way, I've spent enough time in Asia to see what goes on. In your world, these things don't happen, in the real world....it's a different matter.
tintinabuation, thanks for your comments. I understand the responsbility of ownership. It's not my first dog by any means or the last. I've always had labs, it's just that this particular dog is so needy. Society has great disdain for needy people but needy dogs need to be accomodated? I don't get it.
Julie, you post has me thinking. Because he's only 2 and was separated from his mom at 6 weeks, maybe he'll grow out of this neediness. I have seen needy dogs but they tended to be smaller, lapdog breeds. Not big dogs so that's why this one surprises me. I guess I'm looking at buying time to see if he grows out of it.
Saje, the bond you speak of I think is unhealthy in my opinion. The bond between me and my dog is like what a wild west cowboy had with his dog. You know, a man's dog and not this whingy, whiny mutt that wants to be the center of attention all the time.
tessa s212, oh no, not you again. I've taken an instant dislike of your ignorance. My offer still stands....buzz off.
RD, sorry to break your heart, it was not my intention.
Doberluv, I walk the dog without a leash for an hour a day. If the dog decided that this is enough, he is free to run away at any time. I wouldn't chase him. I would respect his choice. To this point, the dog has decided that he wants to be with us.
Julie, those pics are priceless and by the way, I've spent enough time in Asia to see what goes on. In your world, these things don't happen, in the real world....it's a different matter.
That just shows me that you don't understand it. My dogs are not whiny and they don't want to be the centre of attention... all the time. And the only reason they do is because they are rescues that were treated badly and still crave that security and love but they also know that I am the hand that feeds them and they have to follow house rules. They need that too.
The wild west cowboy? The wild west cowboy had dogs for protection of their livestock and families. They were very much a part of the pack.
Did you know that the Bedouins kept their Arabians in their tents with them because they valued them too much to leave them out in the elements? Animals living inside is not an uncommon thing.
The wild west cowboy? The wild west cowboy had dogs for protection of their livestock and families. They were very much a part of the pack.
Did you know that the Bedouins kept their Arabians in their tents with them because they valued them too much to leave them out in the elements? Animals living inside is not an uncommon thing.
I didn't know that. In fact, I've been thinking hard and calling up my friends for any historical or Hollywood references of dogs living with humans. Come up with nothing so thanks Saje for that information.
I do remember Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, the Littlest Hobo when I was a kid. It was those shows that inspired me. Come to think of it, Hollywood which serves to entertain us, provide morals and values, celebrates events worthy of recognition whether we like it or not, as far as I am cognizant of, has never celebrated the type of doggie love that you people have. Dang, even Ma and Pa Kettle with all those kids, kept the dogs outside.
I do remember Rin Tin Tin, Lassie, the Littlest Hobo when I was a kid. It was those shows that inspired me. Come to think of it, Hollywood which serves to entertain us, provide morals and values, celebrates events worthy of recognition whether we like it or not, as far as I am cognizant of, has never celebrated the type of doggie love that you people have. Dang, even Ma and Pa Kettle with all those kids, kept the dogs outside.
To this I would say, All people have choices and the albility to make all their dreams reality. Dogs do not, they have no choices and cannot reason and decide for themselves, they are put into situations with people that can afford their asking price. After that it is all up to people. The dogs never have a decision to make, they just follow the people they are familar with.
Chug... I believe I have been rather sympathic to your desire to do what is right for your dog and asking advice from this forum. But, I also believe you overstepped when you confronted Saji.... she, as well as most, if not all of us, love our pets. We welcome them into our hearts, familes and homes.
I am married, have a child, 3 parrots, a deformed cat and a fish..... They are part of my family and are treated as such. As time goes on, things change, we now know more about animal behavior and psychology and what makes them tick. Back in the "olden days" animals were treated poorly, evidence now proves that they are more then just "animals" that can be tied to a tree and thrown a bone once in a while. I am NOT saying you do that, by your pictures, your dogs looks beautiful and healthy... but that does not mean that us animal people are disfunctional because we love our pets. Your dog may be more loyal to you than your wife..please get my meaning....I am sure your wife is great, but a human will dance on your grave more than your dog will. So, this is really NOT about your wife, just an example. Stats show more divorce every year is going up, but your dog is your loyal comp. forever.
Like I said, you came here looking for help, which shows you want that. Everyone has their own life (just like you), and we all choose what we want. Bottom line, you came here with a problem, and we are trying to help. You may not agree with all the answers you get, but at least you get a variety of options to choose from.
Amy
I am married, have a child, 3 parrots, a deformed cat and a fish..... They are part of my family and are treated as such. As time goes on, things change, we now know more about animal behavior and psychology and what makes them tick. Back in the "olden days" animals were treated poorly, evidence now proves that they are more then just "animals" that can be tied to a tree and thrown a bone once in a while. I am NOT saying you do that, by your pictures, your dogs looks beautiful and healthy... but that does not mean that us animal people are disfunctional because we love our pets. Your dog may be more loyal to you than your wife..please get my meaning....I am sure your wife is great, but a human will dance on your grave more than your dog will. So, this is really NOT about your wife, just an example. Stats show more divorce every year is going up, but your dog is your loyal comp. forever.
Like I said, you came here looking for help, which shows you want that. Everyone has their own life (just like you), and we all choose what we want. Bottom line, you came here with a problem, and we are trying to help. You may not agree with all the answers you get, but at least you get a variety of options to choose from.
Amy
Chug, you are also referring to shows from 40-50 years ago. The entire concept of what a 'pet' is has changed since those shows came out with their over-dramatic scense of canine feats of wonder and independence.
Pretty much it boils down to this: You love your dog, you feed him well, you walk him and that's all great. It's more than some people do for their dogs. However, it's plain to us and you as well, that this dog NEEDS more attention than it's getting. You said that you've had labs before that weren't this needy. Maybe you should do this dog a favor and give him to a home that is happy to let him inside to sleep at the foot of their bed and find a more independent one, less needy one.
Pretty much it boils down to this: You love your dog, you feed him well, you walk him and that's all great. It's more than some people do for their dogs. However, it's plain to us and you as well, that this dog NEEDS more attention than it's getting. You said that you've had labs before that weren't this needy. Maybe you should do this dog a favor and give him to a home that is happy to let him inside to sleep at the foot of their bed and find a more independent one, less needy one.
101 Dalmations
Lady and the Tramp
Benji (I think)
Beethoven
Turner and Hooch
Homeward Bound
Toto in the Wizard of Oz
Garfield and Odie
Sandy, - "Annie"
Dollar - "Ritchie Rich"
Frank was the pug in 'Men in Black"
Murry, - "Mad About You"
Rags Carter's dog from "Spin City"
Einstein - "Back to the Future"
"Darma and Greg"
Buck - "Married with Children" series
Cheffon - "The Shaggy Dog"
Harvey was Elliot's dog is the movie "E.T."
Jinn-Jinn - "I Dream of Jeannie"
Maxine - "The Dukes of Hazard"
Petey from "The Little Rascals" I think?
Quark from the TV series "Honey, I shrunk the Kids"
Sam was Mel Gibson's collie from "Lethal Weapon"
Lady and the Tramp
Benji (I think)
Beethoven
Turner and Hooch
Homeward Bound
Toto in the Wizard of Oz
Garfield and Odie
Sandy, - "Annie"
Dollar - "Ritchie Rich"
Frank was the pug in 'Men in Black"
Murry, - "Mad About You"
Rags Carter's dog from "Spin City"
Einstein - "Back to the Future"
"Darma and Greg"
Buck - "Married with Children" series
Cheffon - "The Shaggy Dog"
Harvey was Elliot's dog is the movie "E.T."
Jinn-Jinn - "I Dream of Jeannie"
Maxine - "The Dukes of Hazard"
Petey from "The Little Rascals" I think?
Quark from the TV series "Honey, I shrunk the Kids"
Sam was Mel Gibson's collie from "Lethal Weapon"
Amy, I don't know what is it with you but when you speak, your words are clear in their intent. I soooooo appreciate your words.
I agree with you on your observations. Dogs weren't treated as well as they are today. I think alot of that both in your country and mine is the success in lobbying that animals rights groups have had over the years. I'm quite comfortable with the 'mans best friend' idea and I think you are right about women in general but let's not flesh that one out any further shall we.
I agree with you on your observations. Dogs weren't treated as well as they are today. I think alot of that both in your country and mine is the success in lobbying that animals rights groups have had over the years. I'm quite comfortable with the 'mans best friend' idea and I think you are right about women in general but let's not flesh that one out any further shall we.
Also, Zoom (I agree), and others, I was trained by trainers who has those t.v. trainers train them (long sentence), and let me tell you in REAL LIFE, those dogs went first class (Benji, for one) all the time. They were not stuck out doors and vunurable to the elements. They had hotel suites and everything. The dogs you seen on t.v. were not even "sleeping" outside, it was a set in a studio.
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