House Breaking a Dog w/o being mean??

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  1. el_pic

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    Rewards + supervision + crate is the key.

    But what about Puppy training pads ???

    and moving the self stick kind to the outdoors ???
     
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    Yep - not a good idea. I've been dog training for several years and NEVER known this to be seriously put forward as a way to stop puppy or dog biting. There are so many other ways to train a dog, reward- or praise-based wherever possible, without resorting to this sort of thing. Remember too, you're not the dog. You're the respected (and respectful) master/mistress and you don't get that respect by biting!
     
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    I am trying to housebreak my puppy exactly the way you explained. She's 6 months old, I just rescued her from the humane society. She hates the crate. And now she seems to hate me. She runs from me whenever I walk near her because she doesn't want to go in her crate.
     
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    Your problem may be that she's identifying the crate with being at the shelter. You probably need to help her learn that her crate is a place where she's safe and can relax, and that will take time.

    In the meantime, work on the housetraining by keeping her leashed to you and taking her out at frequent intervals and when she does eliminate outside, make it worth her while with whatever treats and lavish praise she likes best.
     
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    I absolutely agree. We should train dogs by positive reinforcement. It's much better for dogs to relate to doing things because of rewards than not doing things because of pain.

    There are just so many things wrong with negative reinforcement. Cruelty is definitely on top of the list. Also, dogs live "by the moment" - typically by the time that we punish them, they won't relate the punishment to what they've done wrong, so punishment often does not achieve our goals.

    What I advise dog owners is patience, patience, patience. Every dog is different and learn at a different pace.
     
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    Hi everyone,

    I know there are a million posts on this (with some people disagreeing on best/worst practices), but I thought I would add my own two cents!

    I come at the question from a combination of biology and psychology: there are certain things an animal does without learning (i.e. instinct, although these can often be modified by learning) and there are some that absolutely must be learned.

    In my experience, dogs CAN learn from both negative and positive reinforcement, but the question is WHAT do they learn from those reinforcements? This is why I think people will have little success with negative reinforcement (i.e. scolding, isolating, etc.) because the puppy/dog learns that master/mistress is mad when it pees (not necessarily making the connection that it is the peeing in the house that makes us mad!).

    On the other hand, I have found that dogs learn quickly - very quickly - when praise is used as the reinforcer. Even better than food! And why not? Dogs have been bred for thousands of generations to like praise from humans more than anything else. Puppies that were obedient, loyal, affectionate to the master were bred, those who were aloof and not affectionate were not.

    What I have had great success with is biding my time - waiting for the puppy/dog to do what it is I want them to do -- and then PRAISE them like it is the fourth of July! When it comes to housetraining, this means catching them in the act (of peeing inside) and rather than yelling at them, just quietly picking them up, taking them outside (or to the wee-wee pad, depending on your setup) and then making that place a happy place to be. I also bring them there periodically - biding my time until we get a pee or poop in the right place and then again PRAISE PRAISE PRAISE.

    The puppy/dog quickly makes the association: oh, if I pee/poop here, master/mistress gets very happy. hmm .. I think I will save my pee so that I can come here and do this again! And when you reward him/her every time with praise, that is exactly what the dog will do.

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  8. Dekka

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    I agree with many of the other folks in terms of utilizing consistency, persistence, patience, supervision and rewards when it comes to training your dog. I'm a firm believer of positive reinforcement, which is why I give my dog (Dre) tons of praise for a job well done. Be sure that you are consistent in doing this and that you do not praise him when he does not follow your command/lesson. otherwise the poor thing will just be confused. Also, a treat here and there can also help to entice your pooch to learn as well as to help boost his confidence and ability to learn.

    As for not yelling.. try your hardest NOt to yell. Remember that a dog's ears are definitely more sensitive than ours. Also, a lot of the time, dogs recognize tone and pitch prior to recognizing words... When showing your dog that you aren't happy, try using a firm tone with a relatively even pitch without increasing your volume..

    I hope this makes sense.. good luck!!
     
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    i own a half poodle and half schnozzer bichon he is 3 yrs old and got neutred a week ago and we take him out on a scedule but still has pee accidents in the house i have my living room and kitchen blocked off with a fence but he has gone near the bathroom on the floor and in my sons room twice now . not sure why he keeps doing his duty in the house when we take him out a few times a day every day . he is crate trained and goes in it at nite and never has an acciddent in his crate. should we be doing something else to stop his behavoir ? not sure if its peeing or him marking his terroritory he has been fixed like i said i thought they stopped marking after surgery hmm . this is the first time we owned a male dog and a small dog also always owned female dogs and bigger ones . any help will be greatly apperciated thanks
     
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    No matter what the age, always be positive

    In my experience, being negative never gets you anywhere. Using treats and praise with any size or age of dog is always a good start. You need to make a schedule and stick to it. Your puppy or adult dog will have to go out after each meal, after waking and during play/ exercise. If they happen to have an accident, clean it up and take them outside. If you manage to catch them in the act, scoop them up and take them outside. Scolding/ yelling and hitting them just makes them scared of you and they don't understand why you are being mean.
    Crate training your puppy can help a lot with accidents. If you can't be directly supervising, in the crate they go.
    Having a "potty spot" is also a way to help with potty training. Designate a place in your yard that is where you want him to go. Place feces there so that it smells like him. When you take him out to do his business, take him to "his spot". Soon he will put two and two together and realize, "wow, I must have to go to the bathroom";) Every time he gets it right, give him a treat, tell him he is a good boy or give him a pat on the head.
    Another trick is when you know he has to go,take him out to his spot and don't play until he goes. Once he goes, praise him, give him treats and play all you want.
     
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    Training a dog is indeed a hard thing to do. I love the thought that you want to reinforce your pet in a positive way. The first thing you have to do is gather accessories that could hep you in training your pet like leashes or collars. I got some accessories of my pet on this site http://www.hotdogcollars.com/ . You must remember that be gentle to your pet, this is the general rule to capture your pet feeling.
     
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    If your dog is 3 years old, now neutered, yet is still having accidents I would agree that he is most likely marking.
    If he marked prior to his neuter and seems to be going in the same areas there is probably some scent left there to draw him back.
    I would try a little "CSI" detective work. From the party store or dollar store you can purchase a black light or black light bulb. At night, turn off the lights and go over the areas that he's been having accidents. The black light will show any spots that still need to be cleaned and treated.
    Dogs have an amazing sense of smell. They can smell urine through water, PineSol, Resolve, etc. You need an enzyme solution to digest and get rid of the odors.
    You may be surprised when you turn the lights off! Good luck!

    Lisa
     
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    One great way to get a dog to stop biting you is to press his or her lip against their teeth when they are biting. This is not "mean" as they will quickly learn that biting hurts and they won't bite themselves or you. Sometimes they just don't understand that biting is hurtful. They are puppies (dog babies) and need to learn things just like human babies need to be taught.
     
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    I don't think this is a great way at all. It is important to let your puppy mouth you to an extent so as to encourage bite inhibition, which basically means understanding the difference between a hard bite and a soft bite. When it gets too hard, make a high pitched yelping sound and leave the area. Basically, he will learn that biting means that all the fun stops.
     
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    House Training Your Puppy Can Be Challenging

    After reading this thread, I was reminded that a fair number of new puppies do indeed have the tendency to bite. This can certainly be an annoying and difficult problem to overcome. What makes it even worse is that this usually happens at the same time they are being house broken. So, it is like 2 problems that you need to overcome at once.

    I do have some tips for how to overcome the biting issue. First, it is not really so much biting as it is chewing. The little one will chew on just about anything they can find. Part of the problem may be that they are teething. The first thing I would suggest is to get the dog a couple chew approved toys. Put them where your dog spends most of their time.

    The next tip is the hard one. You, as the owner and now dog trainer, need to be consistent on this. No need to shout or yell to communicate your wishes to the dog either. Just whenever they chew or bite something which they should not, a simple, firm “No” will do. They replace whatever they were chewing on with one of their good toys. If you are consistent with this, they will get the message and learn to stop fairly quickly. This method has worked for several of my dogs. I hope this will help.
     
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    Try to give your dog plenty of exercise outside before house training him. In this way, any excess energy he has has been used and he will not be as active and easily distracted when you are trying to train him.
     
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    That is an excellent guide, Redyre. I never knew that they shouldn't be left alone. That's a great point about the irrelevance of punishment, too.

    Thanks for reposting the info!

    -Penny D
     

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