Horses

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  1. yuckaduck

    yuckaduck Guest

    John Lyons is a gentle hands on training. He has his own magazine out that is brilliant and he shows many different methods of non abusing, ways to teach any horse anything you want it to learn. He believes in the relationship between horse and rider, and making the bond grow tighter and stronger. I will let someone else tell you about Monty Roberts because I don't like him so my discription would not be a fair one.
     
  2. Dakotah_2009

    Dakotah_2009 OOO YEA SHHHAKE IT!!

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    Ok thanks Yucka.

    Also yucka, um...I want to get a colt b/c I want a little horse of my own so I can train him and get that "special" bind w/ him as well. But of course my dad will help me, but I want to do most of it.
     
  3. stirder

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    my faliy is friends with a trainer in texas, was our neighbor before parents got divorced and moved out of the house. name is mark shrimp, owns the bar S and is one of the top trainers of reining horses. HE doesnt like john lyons because he is what some people on here have called a "old school trainer". he thinks you have to make the horse do what you want, then it will respect you. where as john lyons thinks you get the horse to respect you and you wont have to MAKE it do anything. thats a generalization of course, Im sure John Lyons has made horses do things but John is way more gentle, a trainer. Mark Shrimp is a trainer but hes also an old comwboy breaker. know what I mean? so that shows that everybody has very different opinions and Mark cant be completly wrong because he has some world champion reiners, and tons of national reiners. I tend to agree more with John Lyons. Be the horses friend and earn its trust and you can more easily get it to do what you want without force.
    anyway, several years ago Mark hosted a clinic for Monty Roberts at the Bar S. He also made Monty leave after watching him hit a green broke yearling in the face with a manure fork. not talking a pitch fork, one of those plastic ones for cleaning out stalls. It took two of Marks stable hands (more than stable hands really) to hold him back while he told Monty to leave.
    this is a guy who not only is what I consider too rough with his horses for my taste, even though I have learned a lot from him, he is also one tough SOB. Marine sniper in vietnam, 50 year old true cowboy, one of only a few americans with a black belt in aikeedo (sp?). so he probably would have killed him, he doesnt have that brain filter that makes you think about consequences unless dealing directly with horses.
    for him to have been upset with that, I've lost all respect for Monty. I agree, you could learn some things from his books etc, but my personal opinion is that he didnt come up with it on his own, that hes a fake.
     
  4. yuckaduck

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    Agreed, no respect for Monty Roberts. I have learned a lot from John Lyons, but no trainer is perfect.
     
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  5. Dakotah_2009

    Dakotah_2009 OOO YEA SHHHAKE IT!!

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    Yes true, no trainer is perfect. Sounds like Monty Roberts isn't too hot anywhere huh? Oh well..LOL.
     
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    Well I have never been to a clinic with Monty but I can say that I did learn a lot from his book, specifically on the implications of "join-up" which I use with ALL of our rescues. I have been to a few other clinics with trainers but I forget their names. One was an aussie guy who tended to work with a method of not pain but negative reinforcement. Like when a horse was scared to go in a trailer he'd repeatedly tap the horse on the whoulder with a crop (not any harder then you would mindlessly tap a pencil on your knee while bored) and when the hors sidled away towards the trailer to get away from the tapping he'd stop. Then he'd lunge the horse a bit and get it to stop by the trailer again and resume tapping but they start from where the horse had sidled and slowly over time the horse was racing into the trailer to get away from the tapping because the trailer became a refuge. But never once was the horse hit or anything of the such. It was really interesting. Another amazing trainer who works with the horse rather than at the horse is a native american named the Pony Boy. Anyways in the end my advice never follow just one trainer, they're never 100% right. Watch as many trainers as you can, read books, talk to people and learn learn learn. Once you have aquired enough information you will be able to start developing your own method that makes sense to you and works. Now don't get me wrong even after this you're stiull going to keep on learning forever and altering your methods of training as you discover new things even though your old method was working fine. At least this is what I have done.
     
  7. yuckaduck

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    Very wise that is exactly how I have done it and continue to do it. I still grab a young horse or my old guy and go to clinics so I can learn more and more. The day you stop learning is the day you should own no more horses.
     
  8. Dakotah_2009

    Dakotah_2009 OOO YEA SHHHAKE IT!!

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    Any news on horses Yucka?
     
  9. yuckaduck

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    I gave you all the links that I have so you will have to check those websites.

    Me no not yet still negotiating about the prices because I feel they are abit high. Probably will wait abit longer and see what becomes of some of my homebreeds.
     
  10. Dakotah_2009

    Dakotah_2009 OOO YEA SHHHAKE IT!!

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    Oh ok. Good
     
  11. yuckaduck

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    What are you going after the same ones. First come first serve and I think you will find they are real nice colts. :D
     

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