When we go to the off leash, there are 5o acres, lots of dogs, and he always comes when I whistle (i carry a hunter's whistle on my key chain) he minds that just great. He knows that there it is ok to run like the wind, just don't get out of sight. When we walk, we have a slow pace that he seems to really enjoy, his head is even with my knee and the leash is slack. If I see a squirrell or something else interesting I will tell him mark and we enjoy it together. Most the time he goes into a point so that makes it easier, his first response is to freeze, not to chase. I will raise his tail a little so that it makes a prettier point and he will learn to do it naturally..i make sure the leash is always slack.
WE are taking the leash off at the car in my mom's driveway (there is little or no traffic and i know he isn't going to run away) and I say IN meaning in the yard It is fenced but there is no gate, and he runs very happy with Mary and has a good round about before he skids to the porch and waits at the door. I am praising this big time. He did take a look at the open gate yesterday but when I said NO he spun on a dime and went around the yard again. I think this is a good sign.I don't think this would work at home yet. I am able to drop the leash at the mail box while I have him in Sit and he stays nicely.. he doen'st dodge off the minute he doesn't feel restrained. I praise it big there too. IF i thought he was the kind of pointer that i have had before i wouldn't even dream of trying this..ol Daddy bin snorted the ground up through his nose and blew it out..well you know what I mean. The very very few times Vic did get loose when we first moved in he circled around. I always jumped in the car, circled the block once to find him on the front porch when I got back.I never ever punish for coming, if I went to get him it was praise to come to the car. He was never out of my sight more than span of about 5 minutes. That doesn't happen anymore I am more careful than ever.
I think there is no better joy then to have a dog that is so well trained (no leash necessary) to live your life with. My second lab was like that.We were a team. I taught him , where with Bronki it just came naturally. Vic really listens to me...I think he is high geared, but has that underlying potential. He has learned sit,stay,heel, down,speak,sit pretty,give,in,up,fetch, and to hike when I take him out. He is now a year old, I would like to do nursing home visitations with him because he is so gentle in his personality and Men, especially old men appriciate his fine looks bird dogs perk them up and u sometimes get a great dog story to go home with.. All we have left to learn for that test is to sit/stay off leash while I leave the room, and not be bothered by yelling or dropping trays.I don't have to worry about him not taking food off the floor or from anyone cause he doens't like anything in the first place.
I have had him for 6 months now. When we lived at the other house he was staying in the yard with Mary. It took busting him (with a command, never a hit I just mean the slang term) everytime he stepped out of the yard. He did so well that the dog next door woudl come over and play. They would race around both of your adjecent yards without going into the street or the woods. Here that space at the end of my property just calls to his soul. That little stretch of green is a big temptation. He does not step off at any other place. I am going to plant pampass grass, maybe something like bamboo that would spread fast and grow large enough to make passing through to big a pain to bother. I want to teach him that when i say no, you stop and don't go back that way, that your place is with Mary and me. I don't know if that is just when the bond becomes so entwined as with Bronki or if it is something that is taught, or parts of both. Thank you for your advice. I am always learning from everyone, my ol boss said he learned some of the best tips from beginners that had experimented and come up with insightful stuff. With what you wrote I think we are on the right track. We will start go sniff tomorrow. I think that is a great idea.