Socializing means you expose the dog to different forms of stimulations (ie. people) not everyone who meets your dog is going to know how to properly handle a dog if you actually socialized him you would of come across these people. He would have been exposed whether you chose to or not. Actually your dogs response to a situation has EVERYTHING to do with nerves, training, and socialization. If you can not understand that you are asking for a dog that will eventually turn out to be a neurotic mess in more ways than one. Respecting your dog means doing whats best for it. It means doing everything in your power to ensure it portrays a positive and appropriate image of the breed. When people meet my GSD's I always use it as on opportunity to educate them about the breed. I don't know what school of thought you come from but teaching a dog to be tolerant of new people has nothing to do with force. Your right people do get bit because they are not aware how to properly handle a dog, and in the same token most bite cases were by dogs that were lacking training, socialization, or proper temperament. The owner of the dog has a responsibility to step in and know when to say enough is enough, the owner also has a responsibility to do what they can to ensure the dog does not freak out over the slightest thing. Actually my facts are quite straight. I never said these things were said in the same post, I said they were in the same thread. It was the thread entitled "At the end of my rope" or something of that nature. In one post in the thread you were saying how your dogs worked for you to avoid correction. In the same thread in following posts you said that your dog was a working dog and not a pet and you would not subject him to being handled in a crowded room. If you would like me to bring up the exact quotes where you said all these things in the same thread, not post, thread I would be happy to do so or to save time anyone is welcome to search the forums themselves. There are plenty of neutral friendly people that will stop and pat a dog. Neutral just refers to someone you don't know that is not a threat. Joe Smoe is an avid dog lover, he passes you on the street and holds his hand towards your dog or gives him a quick pat on the head. Is it proper of him? Of course not the respectable thing to do is to ask if petting the animal is permitted but most people don't have any sense about the them. So trying to justify your dogs unecessary aggression because he is a working dog is not a form of breed discrimination? "Caza is a working dog, they are not pets, you don't handle them" is not a form of breed discrimination? FYI you are the first person I ever heard that ever implied because their dog is a working dog it is not safe to handle. But if you pat him he will sit there growling? Yeah real sound nerves. Maybe because deep inside you have this sinking feeling that I am right and your dogs actions and behaviors point to a problem either in his temperament (nerves) or your ability to train and socialize.