Grrr, animal shelter says keep the dog outside!

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No problem with outside dogs. My great pyraneese was outside, and loved it. My tiny toy poodle, is inside. No big thing.
 

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Yes, but dogs are not children, they are dogs and have different needs. I am guilty of anthropomorphising at times, too, and thinking that my dogs need exactly what I need, but that's not true. I am human, they are canine.

The ad is not saying - leave your dog outside to roam around and be unsafe. It's my experience that shelters are against leaving dogs outside so they probably have a very good reason for stipulating this.

A life on a farm, outside to romp around and have a great time, would be ideal for a dog - matches their needs, their psyche, and their expectations in life. Sure, probably wouldn't be great for us, but we're not dogs, are we? Although we love them and treat them like our babies, and do our best for them - it has to be what's best for THEM, not what would be best for us if we were in their positions. Like it or not, there is a difference between us and they have different needs to humans.

I would imagine that if you wanted to adopt this dog, they wouldn't be saying not to let it inside ever, they would be saying, provide a safe environment, with shelter, a place to sleep, and a lifestyle that is majority outdoors, because that's what this particular dog needs.
I agee too but, most people that have outside dogs... the dogs are not treated right! :mad:
I understand what you are saying Lizmo about some outdoor dogs not being treated right. There are always going to be those neglectful owners. But that is an entirely different scenario. I don’t think people should make the assumption that because a dog is primarly an ‘outdoor’ dog that it should be categorised as one that is neglected. In this case, it is just as possible for an outdoor farm dog to be just as happy as your indoor city pup. Of course the breed, environment and other factors come into play about determining what is best for what dog.

I think Rubylove said it well in her post.
 
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I will say..that I did have an outdoor dog...ONLY when I was at work, and he was not mistreated. I'm not being defensive though..

I'm just saying, I am guilty of that. Not because I didn't care about the dog, or wanted nothing to do with it (like some owners) but because I rent, and he would have destroyed my house. (This was before I learned about Crates)

Once I got a crate, there was no problem. Sorry, off topic.

Anyway, my point is, sometimes people don't have a choice. It's when people leave them out there to fend for themselves is when it's wrong :(
 

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UGHHH!!!

Oscar and Honey NEED to be outside dogs cuz our house is too small
Then don't get a dog that is too big for the house... but, IMO, that's an excuse - I live in a 650 square foot apartment with TWO Dobermans, BIG dogs... and we're fine... we're more than fine.

they pee all over
Then get a crate and spend a little time and effort to housetrain them.

they are too energetic - we kept them inside before but they broke everything
Exercise them and get a crate. Go to some training classes.

and they sort of stink and shed everywhere.
Give them a bath and feed them better food. Brush them from time to time.


I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the excuses that people make for keeping their pets outside. Outside dogs are more suceptible to injury, poisoning, weather, being attacked by other animals, parasites, theft... the list goes on and on. I wouldn't dream of letting my dogs be outside full-time... they're my pets, and I'm their pack leader - they crave to be in my presence. They are vauable, financially and More Importantly, emotionally.

Working dogs are usually another story - dogs used for sledding seem to be happier outside with their team, many herding dogs prefer to be with their stock, and many hounds like to be nestled in with their pack. But pets? Why do pets need to be outside? They stink? They pee? They shed? There are better solutions to these issues than shoving them out the door... Besides, most outdoor dogs develop a bad smell as a result of being outside - many shed more because they need to constantly be building coat to keep warm on those cold, lonely nights.

If your outdoor dog starts to bloat, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is poisoned, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is choking on its chain, how would you know? Dogs can die of these things in less than an hour, less than ten minutes - what happens then? You come out when you feel like it, and your dog is dead... maybe if they'd been at your side, on their bed by the computer while you were typing, you could have done something and saved your dog.
 

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I agree too, Sizzle. When we are home our dogs are with us 100% of the time. Unless they want to go out, that is - it's up to them.

While we are at work they are outside. I'm not completely happy with that arrangement, but in this house in particular, it's their best arrangement. Our yard is small and there's nothing dangerous in it, they have freedom but not too much freedom. You couldn't see over the fences without a huge ladder, and our landlord is our back neighbour, and is retired, and looks after our puppers while we're away. They get the best of both worlds!

Sometimes when I get home or Max gets home, they actually are not interested in coming inside - ungrateful little buggers :D
 

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"The dog is too big", is the exscuse I hate the most. I've lived in an apartment with four Collies before. It can be done. They got enough exercise and they were perfectly happy. They didn't pee everywhere or break things because they were trained.

Honestly, if someone is keeping their dogs outside because they are doing DOG THINGS, that's just unacceptable and taking the easy way out. Dogs will be dogs and do dog things that annoy you unless you train them. What did you expect? That the dog would come trained right off the bat? Unfortunetly that doesn't happen yet.

No dog NEEDS to be outside. People put them outside because they either can't or won't provide the training and exercise needed for a well adjusted indoor pet. Farm dogs can live perfectly happy in the house as well when they aren't doing their jobs. A Border Collie that herds the flock all day can come in at night and rest with his owner and I'm sure he'll herd just as well tomorrow.

The only way I'd ever be okay with keeping a dog outside is with a guardian dog that was raised to live with the herd. In that case, the herd is the dog's pack and they aren't deprived of social interaction.

I'll never understand why anyone would want a dog they plan to leave outside like a lawn ornament. Makes no sense to me.
 

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"The dog is too big", is the exscuse I hate the most. I've lived in an apartment with four Collies before. It can be done. They got enough exercise and they were perfectly happy. They didn't pee everywhere or break things because they were trained.

I'll never understand why anyone would want a dog they plan to leave outside like a lawn ornament. Makes no sense to me.
Agreed. My Aunt lives in Singapore, they are wealthy and have a reasonably large house, but not compared to what is the norm in Australia. They have no yard to speak of, and beautiful, valuable things in their home. They have three GSDs at the moment, and have always had GSDs. Huge dogs, inside, trained, exercised, loving animals. You can have any sized dog in your house. A dog, even a big dog, takes up no more space than the average human would - we're pretty big too and we fit in our houses! Bad excuse. Dogs are family, cats are family, birds are family, fish are family - you don't get an animal to share your life and then leave it out the back. Especially because you can't be bothered training it properly.

But leaving a dog outside because you're not prepared to look after it, is different from it spending the majority of its time outside because it likes it better that way. My GSDs were different. Virgil liked to be in, Jerry liked to be out. They both spent a lot of time indoors with us, but at night, he liked to go out the back to sleep. He had a choice though - we left the door open for him. He had a spot under a tree where he just liked to sleep. Although Virgil preferred it inside, he preferred most of all to sleep with Jerry - so they stayed out there together and were perfectly happy. It depends upon your dog, but it should have the choice.
 

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UGHHH!!!


Then don't get a dog that is too big for the house... but, IMO, that's an excuse - I live in a 650 square foot apartment with TWO Dobermans, BIG dogs... and we're fine... we're more than fine.


Then get a crate and spend a little time and effort to housetrain them.


Exercise them and get a crate. Go to some training classes.


Give them a bath and feed them better food. Brush them from time to time.


I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the excuses that people make for keeping their pets outside. Outside dogs are more suceptible to injury, poisoning, weather, being attacked by other animals, parasites, theft... the list goes on and on. I wouldn't dream of letting my dogs be outside full-time... they're my pets, and I'm their pack leader - they crave to be in my presence. They are vauable, financially and More Importantly, emotionally.

Working dogs are usually another story - dogs used for sledding seem to be happier outside with their team, many herding dogs prefer to be with their stock, and many hounds like to be nestled in with their pack. But pets? Why do pets need to be outside? They stink? They pee? They shed? There are better solutions to these issues than shoving them out the door... Besides, most outdoor dogs develop a bad smell as a result of being outside - many shed more because they need to constantly be building coat to keep warm on those cold, lonely nights.

If your outdoor dog starts to bloat, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is poisoned, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is choking on its chain, how would you know? Dogs can die of these things in less than an hour, less than ten minutes - what happens then? You come out when you feel like it, and your dog is dead... maybe if they'd been at your side, on their bed by the computer while you were typing, you could have done something and saved your dog.
I completely agree :D
 

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Outside dogs

I agree with what many have posted on here; there is nothing inherently wrong with this dog being an outside dog. There are definitely safety parameters to be met; concerns that should be addressed; but this dog may be more suited to outside than in.

What I think everyone should be outraged about is the fact that a "professed" shelter/humane organization is only posting that much information about a hound breed.

That will certainly pull in the less than desirable adopters.

Hounds are notorious roamers; just chucking this dog outside (which is what this sounds like) is certainly a recipe for asking for recurrent shelter visits.

Perhaps this dog was a hunting dog; has spent his/her life outside in a kennel, which can be very typical for a hunting dog; and hunters with big packs seem to have no problem with the arrangement.

This would certainly indicate that perhaps this dog is not suited to indoor living. Not that he never will be; but that is certainly something to consider.

Again; we are seriously missing a lot of information about this dog and need to stop jumping to conclusions.:cool:
 
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I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the excuses that people make for keeping their pets outside. Outside dogs are more suceptible to injury, poisoning, weather, being attacked by other animals, parasites, theft... the list goes on and on. I wouldn't dream of letting my dogs be outside full-time... they're my pets, and I'm their pack leader - they crave to be in my presence. They are vauable, financially and More Importantly, emotionally.

Working dogs are usually another story - dogs used for sledding seem to be happier outside with their team, many herding dogs prefer to be with their stock, and many hounds like to be nestled in with their pack. But pets? Why do pets need to be outside? They stink? They pee? They shed? There are better solutions to these issues than shoving them out the door... Besides, most outdoor dogs develop a bad smell as a result of being outside - many shed more because they need to constantly be building coat to keep warm on those cold, lonely nights.

If your outdoor dog starts to bloat, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is poisoned, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is choking on its chain, how would you know? Dogs can die of these things in less than an hour, less than ten minutes - what happens then? You come out when you feel like it, and your dog is dead... maybe if they'd been at your side, on their bed by the computer while you were typing, you could have done something and saved your dog.
I completely agree, and was wondering if you would pipe in as well :D
 
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No dog NEEDS to be outside. People put them outside because they either can't or won't provide the training and exercise needed for a well adjusted indoor pet. Farm dogs can live perfectly happy in the house as well when they aren't doing their jobs. A Border Collie that herds the flock all day can come in at night and rest with his owner and I'm sure he'll herd just as well tomorrow.

The only way I'd ever be okay with keeping a dog outside is with a guardian dog that was raised to live with the herd. In that case, the herd is the dog's pack and they aren't deprived of social interaction.

I'll never understand why anyone would want a dog they plan to leave outside like a lawn ornament. Makes no sense to me.
Thank you for reinterating (spelling?) my points!
 

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No dog NEEDS to be outside. People put them outside because they either can't or won't provide the training and exercise needed for a well adjusted indoor pet.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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UGHHH!!!


Then don't get a dog that is too big for the house... but, IMO, that's an excuse - I live in a 650 square foot apartment with TWO Dobermans, BIG dogs... and we're fine... we're more than fine.


Then get a crate and spend a little time and effort to housetrain them.


Exercise them and get a crate. Go to some training classes.


Give them a bath and feed them better food. Brush them from time to time.


I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the excuses that people make for keeping their pets outside. Outside dogs are more suceptible to injury, poisoning, weather, being attacked by other animals, parasites, theft... the list goes on and on. I wouldn't dream of letting my dogs be outside full-time... they're my pets, and I'm their pack leader - they crave to be in my presence. They are vauable, financially and More Importantly, emotionally.

Working dogs are usually another story - dogs used for sledding seem to be happier outside with their team, many herding dogs prefer to be with their stock, and many hounds like to be nestled in with their pack. But pets? Why do pets need to be outside? They stink? They pee? They shed? There are better solutions to these issues than shoving them out the door... Besides, most outdoor dogs develop a bad smell as a result of being outside - many shed more because they need to constantly be building coat to keep warm on those cold, lonely nights.

If your outdoor dog starts to bloat, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is poisoned, how would you know? If your outdoor dog is choking on its chain, how would you know? Dogs can die of these things in less than an hour, less than ten minutes - what happens then? You come out when you feel like it, and your dog is dead... maybe if they'd been at your side, on their bed by the computer while you were typing, you could have done something and saved your dog.
I would KNOW because 99.999999999999999999999999999% of my entire life is spent outside! Especially when I sleep in tents and use her as a pillow or ride with her following me. Plus, I would LOVE to have her inside, but I've got parents with stubborn minds who block out puppydog eyes.
 

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Working dogs are usually another story - dogs used for sledding seem to be happier outside with their team, many herding dogs prefer to be with their stock, and many hounds like to be nestled in with their pack. But pets? Why do pets need to be outside? They stink? They pee? They shed? There are better solutions to these issues than shoving them out the door... Besides, most outdoor dogs develop a bad smell as a result of being outside - many shed more because they need to constantly be building coat to keep warm on those cold, lonely nights.
Honey is a working dog. Chinooks are from Alaska, bred for mushing. So she loves it outside. Oscar is pitbull/ and lab I think. And is afraid of everything inside and out. (we are working on that)
 

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I agree with Squiddy too! :)

Here is what I think.....

Yes dogs need to be outside....but they need to be inside at night and during the day....yes they need to go and play ect outside but they also need to be inside!

Also I think if your dog cannot be an inside dog...most people should not have a dog....you can not watch what it is doing....you cannot see if some thing comes in your yard at night and gets your dog...you do not have the interation with your dogs that you NEED if they are outside all day...the dogs are in the rain ect if they are outside all day...I completly agree with Squiddy! :)
Remember, Honey and Oscar have a garage when there is bad weather and we put them in at night. I SOOOOO wish that Oscar and Honey could live inside! *sighs* But parents.......*sighs*
 

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If your house it to small for a certain dog then DON'T GET IT! How can you say that since a house is too small that validates shoving the dog outside? Danes really shouldn't be kept outside.. they aren't built for outdoor living! if you think a place is too small for a Dane don't get one!
Same with the shedding and the lack of training.. if you can't deal with a dog shedding, DON'T GET A DOG THAT'S GONNA SHED EVERYWHERE! Simple as that! Don't get it and then justify banishing it to the outdoors... And if you don't have time to train a dog to NOT pee in your house.. then maybe you shouldn't get a dog..

Now I'm sure your dogs are suited for outdoor living.. I'm not saying that your dogs should NOT be outside.. especially if you spend so much time with them out there like you stated... but the REASONS you gave for keeping dogs outside are just plain silly and unjustified! Those are the reasons that so many dogs are banished to chained living outside.. sad and lonely.. those are the reasons we have so many 'problem dogs'.. owners get the dogs and then decide they don't like the size.. the shedding.. or the smell.. or they're too lazy to train it properly.. so out the dog goes! I'm not trying to offend anyone here.. but in NO way are these reasons good ones for keeping a dog outside.. those are reasons to NEVER own a dog.. reasons to get a goldfish instead!

*end rant* :)
We don't have a great dane for that reason. And, not to be mean, but I think goldfish are boring. I could NOT be a fish. swim here, then there. Bloop, Bluup, Bloop. Blowing bubbles is probly an adventure for them! LOL!
 

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