I could not agree with you more. Being a registered purebred dog doesn't make it worthy of breeding, nor does having good conformation or any one singular "good" point. A dog must be assessed over all and then a breeder must decide whether the dog is worthy of being bred from. Even when it comes to using dogs for breeding that do conform closely with the breed standard, it's not just about putting to good dogs together but about selecting two dogs that complement each other and I think that is where you see the difference between the good breeders and the great breeders. I am not against dog shows but I do agree with a lot of what you said in your original post black dog (and I think you made some very valid points). The way some show dogs are treated is appauling and I don't condone it for a second. When I was showing I originally bought 2 dogs to show, one of them only ever went to 2 shows the other one was shown extensively. The reason for this was that the one that only went to two shows and hated it with a passion so I felt no need to put her through it, the second one which did a lot of showing kept going because he loved it... he loved being the centre of attention and loved going out on the weekends and seeing all of his dog show mates. I know that there are plenty exhibitors out there that care more about a ribbon than their dog and it is those people that I have a problem with, not the shows themselves. I also know that a lot of breeders put a lot of importance on "Champions" and ribbons when it comes to breeding but at the end of the day I think a good breeder should know the standard for their breed inside and out and therefore should know a good example of their breed when they see it, without having a judge tell them weather it is any good or not.