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  1. CharlieDog

    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    to tell me more about fishes. I'm stealing my sisters aquarium when she goes to Colorado this coming week, and it's a very nice bowfront aquarium, that's very large. It's like 40 or 50 gallons, maybe bigger, but probably not by much.

    I don't know what I want to put in there, or how I want to set the tank up. It's got a very nice filter, hood and bubbler system with it, but they haven't been cleaned/used in years. I know I need to go ahead and set it up asap and get some water into, so that gives me plenty of time to decide what type of fish I want to put in there.

    I know I want some sort of schooling fish, and I was considering going with Endlers livebearers and fancy guppies again, but I've seen some really cool fish that were called sharks or something like that that were also a schooling fish.

    If I do go with the guppies/livebearers, whats some other things I could put in there to sort of A, help control the inevitable population explosion, B, won't eat ALL the babies and C, look good and not eat the adult fishes.

    I don't know if I want snails in there, but I'm going to go ahead and guess I'm going to get some free ones when I start buying plants because I want to do natural plants in there as well, but what else will help clean waste/glass, ect besides those huge ugly black fish. Though I have heard that getting those and letting them get absolutely enormous and then selling them can be profitable, I really don't like them. I'd like something smaller.

    And are there shrimp that can go in a fresh water tank that wont eat my fish? I like shrimp, and I think some of them are cool looking as well, but I don't want to worry about them eating too many of my fish, nor getting eaten by anything.

    Basically, I'm looking for fish/ect that will look nice, as well as something that will breed and replace themselves over time. I don't mind loosing babies, and I don't mine loosing adult fish, because I've experienced genetic bottlenecks before, so I want to be able to add new stock over time without having to cull fish. Anyway, suggestions? Advice?

    Thanks!
     
  2. crazedACD

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    My response in red :).
     
  3. Romy

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    Endlers!!!

    You should get some from this guy, because his fish are like whoa. Could you imagine how awesome they would be in a massive school?

    http://swampriveraquatics.com/

    His hybrids are awesome too.
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    With a tank that size, you could do a really spiffy black water setup for them. I'd go with heavy planting because it looks awesome too, but don't know if you want to deal with maintaining them.
     
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    I recently got a betta sorority. I love it! They're all colorful, personable, they go crazy for shrimp, when I open the tank lid they start leaping out of the water, etc.

    But, 40 gallons would hold a lot of bettas lol. And they wouldn't reproduce by themselves. What about some sort of cichlid?

    Gives you different cichlid combos you could keep in a 40 gallon:
    http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/cookie_cutter_40g.php

    I like the malawi ones myself... but I've never kept cichlids, so I don't know how accurate that site is.


    I guess those two options don't really fit your reproduction specs, huh... maybe convict cichlids? They're supposed to be prolific:

    vid of some babies, just for fun.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t7XzenC4o0&feature=related
     
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    African cichlids will breed usually at the right size/combo. I had some breed in the tank at work, really I think the only ones that have ever survived.

    Actually cherry shrimp and endlers or guppies would have lots of babies.
     
  6. ~Tucker&Me~

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    Personally, I picked up some Koi Swordtails and have been loving them. I would even offer to ship you some of the babies if it didn't cost me an arm and a leg. If you go guppies, go endlers for sure. They tend to be healthier, hardier and less likely to get bullied than regular guppies and come in some brilliant colours.

    My suggestions for a tank would be as follows:

    1. Schooling species (pencil fish are what I currently have, and I love them because they are less common than all the tetras and imo they school much tighter which looks fantastic)
    2. Clean-up crew (I think you can't beat a school of 6+ corydoras, cute as all hell, playful, and do a great job collecting scraps)
    3. Algae control (I love otocinclus and if they are in a school of 6 or so they show lots of interesting natural behaviours, and in addition to otos, I would get a handful of amano shrimp since shrimp appeal to you and these guys get a little bigger than cherries and crystals)
    4. Centerpiece (personally, I don't think you can beat a pair of dwarf cichlids for colour and interesting behaviour, and it is always awesome to see cichlids spawn. Having said that, you could also make endlers your centerpiece or do a combo of the two)

    Most other fish in the tank will eat your guppy fry, and if you want to save a few you could always invest in a floating breeder box to shelter the babies in for the first few weeks. Having a well-planted aquarium is also very helpful and will make fish feel safer and display more natural behaviour.

    Here are some photo examples of the species I talked about:

    Corydoras (in this case, duplicareous corydoras, which is one of the types I keep and one of my favourites as far as looks go): http://www.planetcatfish.com/images/mid(r)/callichthyidae/corydoras/duplicareus/9.jpg

    Amano Shrimp: http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubweb...IX/FW shrimp/Caridina multidentata CT (2).jpg

    Pencilfish (Beckford's, the type I keep, but also google coral red as they are gorgeous):http://www.fishlinkworldwide.com/fish/products_pictures/pencilfish1.jpg

    Dwarf Cichlid (two examples, first is German Blue Rams or Microgeophagus Ramirezi , second is Apistogramma cacatuoides): http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2...e_german_blue_ram_by_finaljenemba-d2z8vze.jpg and http://aquadomik.ru/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Apistogramma_cacatuoides_2.jpg

    Let us know what you think/decide! I love planning tanks :)
     
  7. ~Tucker&Me~

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    I really love the Koi swordtails! Those are beautiful!! Do they school as well?

    I'm really digging the pencilfish as well. Maybe a pair or three of each would work out okay, and I really really like both types of dwarf cichlids you posted.

    In fact, all of those suggestions are fantastic, lmao, because the corydoras and the otos I both like a lot as well.

    I'll probably be planting the tank first and letting the plants get well established before adding any fish to it, and it's going to take a while to get up and running exactly how I'd like it.

    I don't want the shrimp to breed though, I just wanted a few for color/interest in the tank, so that's something I didn't think about. I really do love Endlers, and those ones you posted Romy are GORGEOUS. If I do, I'll probably set up a small fry tank for them until they're big enough to not get eaten lol.

    And I thought about just a very large Betta tank lol with a few females and a nice fancy male, but I don't think I'd have as much fun planning all this out lol. I really do want a nice school or two of fish.


    Or I could just some of all of those lol. :p

    As well, I have no idea how I want to do the plants. Right now there are large river rocks in the bottom of the tank, but I can change/add to that, since there is no water in it currently, now would definitely be the best time to start planning the plants to go in there, as well as how I want to arrange it. I'm not sure if I want tank decorations like driftwood and a pirate ship (I really love those lol, but some of them are incredibly cheesy too) or if I should just keep it more natural and find some stones and stone arches with a bit of driftwood or something in there.

    I like the moss/grass looking stuff the shrimp are on in that picture, and there was another type of grass I really liked in someones tank, but I don't remember who's it was. Just that it was very wavy tall grass.

    The only thing I don't really like is plants that will break the surface of the water.
     
  9. ~Tucker&Me~

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    My answers in bold. Also one thing to keep in mind, depending on exactly what species of dwarf cichlid you keep, some may not be able to co-exist with guppies or swordtails. Many of the livebearers prefer water with added salt, whereas some of the more sensitive SA fish you like prefer softer water with no salt. If it were me, I would do a tank with the aforementioned species OR a guppy/livebearer tank. Or, a tank with each ;) If you decide you like the species I mentioned, you could go for a stocking list like this:

    12 Pencilfish
    6 Corydoras
    6 Otocinclus
    10 Shrimp
    2 Dwarf Cichlids

    With that list, you still have some room to play with and could add in more fish to the current schools you would have or even acquire some different species. Lots of possibilities :popcorn:

    Keep us updated!
     
  10. CharlieDog

    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Do you think if I halved the amount of shrimp I could add a few swordtails? I'd like to have maybe one or two males and four or so females.

    I'll have to figure out which dwarfs would coexist peacefully with schooling fish. I really like both of those you posted earlier, but I know nothing about them really.

    I've had the guppies and an Endlers that somehow ended up in with the guppies, I actually ended up with a crossbreed strain of them, :p but I never added salt to their water at all, it was just from the tap and cycled through. Would not having salt affect them somehow? I don't think I ever had any problems with them in established tanks at all.

    My sister had a few in with some neon tetras, I think the fish had some sort of issue because the guppies ended up with some really strange spine issues and were deformed looking, but I don't know what caused/causes that.
     
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    Answers in bold...
     
  12. CharlieDog

    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    Hmmm, okay. I'll have to pick a kit up, but I'm hoping I can find a happy medium for all of them.

    My sisters water came from her well, so that could have contributed to that. We're on city water though, and last I remember it was fairly hard water at 7 or 7.5 (I think)
     
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    Need to get a bigger heater and figure out what I want to do with the bottom of the tank. I'd like to get sand, but I'm not sure what color I want yet, or if I want to just add sand to the river rocks, in which case I'll stick with white.

    And I need to find a replacement hood/lid thing, because the glass piece that used to be on the tank has done a runner. Can't find it anywhere.

    Also have to figure out what sort of filter I want. I have an under gravel filter, but I didn't put it in there because I don't think it would work with sand. I'm not sure. Still doing a lot of research.

    And I definitely need to find a better place to find plants. The selection at petsmart and petco is pitiful.
     

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