Fake service dogs

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  1. TahlzK

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    While I wish dogs were allowed in more public areas, you'd have so many irresponsible people taking their dogs in and it's not worth the hassle for these companies and its not fair to some other people. Especially for those who have a fear of dogs!

    I honestly think allowing dogs in to all public areas wouldn't be a good idea, as awesome as it would be to be able to take your dog everywhere.

    Plus, lets not forget about the idiots who will let their dogs approach other dogs/bring dogs in that may not be good with dogs and are irresponsible.
     
  2. Saeleofu

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    I choose not to bring him. I never requested to bring him because it is not an appropriate place to bring a service dog. If I did request to, I could legally be turned down as it would be a fundamental alteration to the facility and/or direct threat to the animals I work with. Service dogs are not allowed everywhere - there are limits.
     
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    And some of you seem to think it's impossible to train a dog to behave in public. Yet in many other countries, it's a matter of course.

    And yet again, I wasn't suggesting that the fake SD might therefore be just as good as the real SD. My non fake, non SDs, as I said, would be fine in any situation that didn't involve them ignoring food. (my guess would be that not all real SDs would be able to ignore food either.) Therefore, if I wanted to use them as fake SDs, it would behoove me to avoid doing so in places where food is likely to be dropped around them. ie; restaurants and grocery stores. But, as fakes, there would be no reason not to do so. Taking them onto, say, a bus, where the only thing they might have to deal with is being crowded, stepped on, etc; which is not something that bothers them, I wouldn't have to worry about their behavior. (this is hypothetical. As I said, my dogs are not taken places that dogs aren't allowed.)

    If a person is faking that their dog is a service dog, they have the option to not take the dog into a situation that the dog can't handle. So, it just doesn't get the same stresses put on it as a real SD. I would roundly condemn someone who took a dog like my Tess into a restaurant, whether it were a real SD or fake, because the dog staring at people and barking if they didn't feed her would be disruptive and highly inappropriate. But if they only take the dog into situations where it can behave, then it just doesn't matter to me.
     
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    That particular dog (a Border Terrier, btw, so also easily carried by his owner) actually did belong to someone who I'd guess could qualify as disabled if she so chose (her joint problems definitely affect her movement). The only real difference between that dog and a real SD would be that the real SD is trained to perform tasks to help the handler. Which yes, technically still makes it a fake and illegal, but the dog's training is probably more extensive than most SDs, and the handler more disabled than some people who legitimately have SDs, so who is actually being hurt?
     
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    CharlieDog Rude and Not Ginger

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    The problem is it doesn't matter. If the dog isn't an SD, it's still illegal, and breaking the law, and a felony.

    It's not speeding. It's not even minor recreational drugs. It's a felony.
     
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    That is true but there could be a policy in place where, much like unruly children (& even some Adults!) in some places, dogs who are unruly may also be asked to leave/be banned if thy are too much of a problem.
     
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    AMEN! Well said! :hail:
     
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    :rolleyes: What does being an arthritic retired gym teacher have to do with anything? She couldn't crate the dog for a few hours? Please.
     
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    Regarding the whole "disability" definition thing, basically everyone uses the term "disabled" incorrectly.

    http://www.painanddisability.com/di...valuation/vol4_no1/Disability_Evaluation.html


    To put it simply, people's mental disease, physical impairment, etc etc is defined as a impairment.

    It becomes a disability when social forces are set up in such a manner that a person can not function the task required.

    In other words, comments like "everyone has a disability these days" are not true. Just having an impairment does not qualify someone to be disabled.
     
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    is it? I don't know. How many have been prosecuted for a felony? I have to reason that the impersonating a person with disability type stuff that gets prosecuted as a felon is for the more serious stuff, like faking it to hold fundraisers to profit from, or get disability checks and things of that nature.

    If it is a felony, it's a ridiculous one. I can't imagine someone being labeled a felon for taking a dog into Walmart, I think it would be pretty easy to do away with that under the 8th amendment
     
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    Bolded because you hit the nail on the head. BUT that's not the legal definition of "disabled." This is:

    from http://www.ada.gov/pubs/adastatute08.htm#12102

    Note that "(C) being regarded as having such an impairment (as described in paragraph (3))." does not qualify someone for an SD, but it does prevent someone from discrimination in employment and the like when people assume someone has a disability.
     
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    I don't know if it's ever been prosecuted as such, but pretending the dog is an SD, or putting a vest on the dog with SD patches is saying you're disabled, is faking a disability. Therefore, under the law, a felony.
     
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    it's only a felony if you're charged and convicted of a felony :) Until then it's just illegal and I know the word felony conveys seriousness, but there's a world of difference between walking into a store with a dog and committing insurance fraud under the guise of a disability
     
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    However, they're both wrong, and people are jerks for doing it.
     
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    Everywhere I'm reading says it can be a misdemeanor, not a felony.

    http://www.animallaw.info/articles/ddusassistanceanimal.htm#VII
     
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    The point is, its not actually hurting anyone if the "faker dog" is perfectly well behaved and looks and acts in every way like the real thing, yet isnt. What the **** do you care? Get off your high horse! Your precious sensibilities are not the issue here
     
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    and people are jerks for driving slow in the left lane too
     
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    That always drives me nuts. Ugh.
     
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    Actually I don't care as long as the dog is well behaved, which I already stated, but thanks for your asinine assumptions.

    And since it's only a misdemeanor who cares then? Since it's not a felony and all to fake an SD. That's brilliant.

    And really the issue here is that people are being downright douchebags over breaking the law because they don't care about the law? They don't agree with the law because it doesn't affect them?

    It's ridiculous and belittling to assume that everyone who "fakes" an SD has a "well behaved" dog. That's not even the issue.
     

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