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I would, actually, LOVE a Ty junior... if only.
LOL .. so would I. Out of all my dogs the 2 "heart" ones were one Golden and a very close second a GSD. GSD only second b/c he wasn't entirely mine ... was a family dog that Dad and I pestered ... errr, convinced ... err.. compromised Mom into. :D (She was partial to non-shedders.) I had planned on taking Duke with me when I moved out. Dontcha know it was MOM who said "Oh no, you're not taking MY baby!!" :D

No one can change the past, but I too believe that Vom CAN and WILL make an excellent breeder when he and his dogs are ready. :)
 

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Well, in being honest with everyone with this deal, Baron's buyer backed out. I'm back up to three pups. I'm so in over my head right now.

I know, I'm reaping what I've sewn.

OH, and btw, the Ty x Six litter is officially off. I'm going to be updating the website soon, but if it was that easy to do, I would have finished it by now to begin with LOL
 

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We're all learning everday - that's the great thing about Chaz ;)

I don't have much else to say other than that. Except that I think your dogs are gorgeous :p
 

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With your honesty , buyers will come or you could donate to service dogs . Had I ever had " extra " pups , I sure would have !
 

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With your honesty , buyers will come or you could donate to service dogs . Had I ever had " extra " pups , I sure would have !
That's a really great idea Grammy!

Weren't you thinking of holding back one of the pups to do some work with and donate to a police department? Maybe you could do some assessments with these pups and place them with handlers/train yourself for things like police work, narcotics detection, SAR, etc.?
 

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That's a really great idea Grammy!

Weren't you thinking of holding back one of the pups to do some work with and donate to a police department? Maybe you could do some assessments with these pups and place them with handlers/train yourself for things like police work, narcotics detection, SAR, etc.?

I was, and still am. I've pegged Bossman as the prodigy in this litter, and I want to place him somewhere.

The other two pups, I would prefer to put in homes. Naturally I'll keep them if I end up needing to, but I have a preference.
 
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The thing is, organizations who invest thousands of dollars into training working or service dogs who are then expected to deliver 6 or so years of service want to see a background that is strong in health testing, particularly HIPS.

They generally do not want to risk all the time effort and money on a dog who is from an undocumented or questionable hip background.
 

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The thing is, organizations who invest thousands of dollars into training working or service dogs who are then expected to deliver 6 or so years of service want to see a background that is strong in health testing, particularly HIPS.

They generally do not want to risk all the time effort and money on a dog who is from an undocumented or questionable hip background.
This is true. There are many pups that make the grade healthwise, and don't cut it for working ability after initial appraisals too.

If this is something Vom is really serious about, the best thing he can do is move forward with the health testing of his dogs and go from there. :)
 
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It's not as easy to donate a service dog as one might think, not to a PD anyway. First off, the dog has to have a very good foundation. Next they have to have someone that knows how to test a dog. Police dog handlers, god bless 'em, know how to handle a dog, they don't know about foundation, training, or testing. So they'd have to find somebody to do it. Even after that, they'd have to find somebody to finish the dog.

Foundation is one thing, finishing it is another, then you have to train the handler with the dog as well. Once a PD gets to that point, the usually just buy a dog from the place that trains them, one stop shopping so to speak. and if they already have a K-9 unit in place, good luck cracking into that. they already have somebody that imports, trains, and certifies the handlers and dogs together. With all the screw balls claiming to sell PD and PPD dogs and train them, once a dept finds someone they trust it's hard to break into that circle. Not saying impossible, buy you have to prove yourself and your dogs for quite some time, and even then, the higher ups usually don't allow it anyway.

But it is a noble thought, just don't expect to keep a dog for a year and then have depts begging for your dog
 

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who is being negative? sorry I don't see any negativity.

Unless you are referring to post pointing out that police don't take donations as a rule. That is being realistic-not negative. Saying not to try would be negative. Pointing out why they may not want one is helping someone not get all excited about a particular avenue that is not likely to happen. IMO that is positive.
 

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where would you like it to go?

I am hoping he finds great homes for his dogs. I am sure he will, sometimes it takes time for the right owners. (speaking from experience) The perfect homes can come from unexpected places.
 
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Wasn't trying to be negative, just realistic.

Keep the dog to see what you produce and how it grows up

Keep it to keep it yourself

Keep it to train it and sell a started dog that has hip grades and potential for sport to a sport home

or keep it and be prepared to find a home for free if it doesn't work out as a sport dog, many times they don't.

Those are much more likely scenerios. I've run into more people thinking they're going to breed kick ass working dogs and donate them to PD's. It's a great goal, but it doesn't happen over night that's for sure.
 
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Let's not be negative ......I prefer the glass 1/2 full .
Very thoughtful, but in this case it really isn't about being "negative". Service dogs and K9s must come from lines that have been reliably health-tested and this must be verifiable. Training for these dogs costs thousands of dollars while municipal police departments and service organizations are non-profit. So they really can't afford to take chances. Some organizations, like Canines Companions for Independence, employ their own breeding programs and as a rule never accept donations of dogs from outside breeders. Even with all the careful preparation regarding breeding and extensive health testing, unexpected problems can still happen.

This is how author Dean Koontz got his Golden Retriever, Trixie. (Currently ATRB.) She had been a fully trained service dog with CCI, but developed an unexpected elbow dysplasia that did not appear anywhere in her breeding lines. Trixie had surgery for the elbow dysplasia, she completely recovered with no ill effects and no residual problem.

However, even successful surgery and recovery cannot be considered "good enough" ... because many times a handicapped person's very life depends upon their service dog's ability to work consistently and reliably. (K9 dogs are also depended on to defend, and sometimes save, lives of their human police partners!) When a service dog develops any orthopedic problem they are considered unsuitable for work and MUST be retired. Koontz had made cash donations to CCI in the past and mentioned the organization in one of his previous novels, so CCI offered to let him adopt the retired Trixie.

Service dog breeding lines are also subjected to extensive temperament testing. Usually very reliable, but doesn't always work out either. I personally know a woman who owns a retired Lab from Guide Dogs for the Blind. Physically he's very sound and has an excellent temperament. But it turned out not quite good enough to make it through the entirety of the extensive training that these dogs absolutely require if they are to act as a person's "eyes". He made it though some of the training, but flunked out of the later stages. He's an absolutely wonderful dog, just happens to be a college dropout from Guide Dogs for the Blind. :D
He's currently a hospital therapy dog, but standards for therapy dogs are not nearly the same as for service dogs.
 

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When I was at the rolex they had a demo of the police dogs. They were saying they paid 6500 a dog and got them from europe. This was for untrained GSDs, not sure if they take donations if they are that specific.

couple pics and such http://chazhound.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75203 (post 5)
That isn't untrained- it's a "green" dog that has had a lot of foundation training already on it by the time the police get them. An 18 month old green dog has hundreds of hours of training on it by the time it's sold. That's why they cost so much.
 
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That isn't untrained- it's a "green" dog that has had a lot of foundation training already on it by the time the police get them. An 18 month old green dog has hundreds of hours of training on it by the time it's sold. That's why they cost so much.
I forgot to mention that, but yes, a green dog hasn't been sitting in a kennel for the first year of its life, its been training, lots of foundation work. Most only get a couple months more of training in the US with their handler before they are certified and put on the street
 

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