Doodles (and how Labradoodles are different)

[MK&C]

I mean, if you are going to claim a mix as a breed (besides being required to have so many odd generations on record and a parent club) shouldn't you have strict, set standards and not go all over the place (like most dogs mixed with poodles do -- in reference to the standards)?

I don't know why either...I agree with you, that there should be a stricter standard. In a perfect world, the 'perfect' cockapoo breeder would create a real club with strict standards (discussed amongst many other excellent breeders/fanciers).

Hybrid vigor is a misnomer and a myth (IMO). But the cockapoo site is only focusing on the supposedly "good" aspects of the mix and not mentioning the bad.

Agreed...

The Cockapoo has been around longer than I have, why are they still breeding Poodle to Cocker?

Because of the idiots who continue to breed them that way. But there ARE people out there who have many generations.

How would you write a standard for mixed-breed dogs?

Like people have done for other breeds, I assume? Get enough generations until a breeder can have a clear idea of what the pups will look like. Alot of the cockapoo's I've seen DO look alike, and they even have the same cut. What's functional for the dog? What do well-bred ones look like today, and how can I improve that look...? What's an ideal temperment, etc. I've seen pretty much every coat color for cockapoo's, since both Cocker's and Poodle's coat colors vary tremendosely (sp?).

 

[tempura tantrum]

The point I was really trying to get across with the Alaskan Husky is that they don't need/want a standard. The breeders are continuously innovating- adding new breeds to the mix to see what makes a faster, sharper, smarter animal, with greater endurance than before. Then know internally exactly what they're working for, and the dog's suitability for racing is PROVEN as soon as the animal is old enough to get into a harness and start running. Look on any one team of Alaskan Huskies, and the dogs vary widely in terms of looks. The breeders aren't after a "look." They are *purely* after performance- and that in and of itself is a lot harder to write a standard for.

My point is the breeders DON'T and WON'T EVER have a clear idea of what the puppies are going to look like. Because for one, they aren't just simple F1 crosses, and 2 they don't *care* what they look like- it's not important for their job.

I'll agree that I've seen a fair number of Cocker-Poodle mixes that look vaguely similar- but it's still not the same way you'll see in any one breed. And for all the Cocker-Poodle mixes that DO look like one another, I've seen tons and tons of "Labradoodles," and "Goldendoodles" that don't resemble their own littermates, let alone other similar crosses. The standards written for them are laughable- they're so vague it's almost funny, and yet they HAVE to be, to encompass such a wide range of animals.

 

[zoe08]

I dont know if it has been mentioned but Alaskan Huskies are not bred to be 'pets' either. They are only working dogs. People don't breed them just for fun.

"The Alaskan Husky is not so much a breed of dog as it is a type or a category. It falls short of being a breed in that there is no preferred type and no restriction as to ancestry; it is defined only by its purpose, which is that of a highly efficient sled dog." - answers.com

 

[tempura tantrum]

Exactly Zoe!

I hopefully mentioned this before, but I've written about them so many times this week alone, that I don't know if I said it accurately in this thread.

They are by NO MEANS anyone's idea of a good pet.

I seriously "pity the foo" that would take on one of these animals and decide that "Sparky only needs a 30 minute walk every day."

Of course the likelihood of anyone that doesn't race these dogs even getting one is slim to none- and it's best kept that way! (Unless you're planning on redecorating, and "tripping crackwhore with scissors" is your idea of a decorating scheme).

 

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Of course the likelihood of anyone that doesn't race these dogs even getting one is slim to none- and it's best kept that way! (Unless you're planning on redecorating, and "tripping crackwhore with scissors" is your idea of a decorating scheme).

Next on "Trading Spaces"!

 

[tempura tantrum]

I'm not gonna lie...I swear I've seen that episode.

These people's friends made their living room look like an S&M dungeon. Complete with red walls, a black iron chandelier with red candles, and a HUGE blown up photo of the wife in leather (and I'm not talking leather pants here), over the fireplace. (They found the photo in hubby's sock drawer).

Needless to say, they were NOT enthused. (Imagine your parents watching!)

That was so off topic it's not even funny. Sorry!

Back to your regularly scheduled program!

 

[Boemy]

*nods* I read a news article about Alaskan huskies once and it had a quote from a dogsledder . . . "Yeah, I had this dog who I thought was an Alaskan husky, but when I put him in the harness, he had no drive." It's a completely work-related definition. Two dogs might be from the same litter, but only the one with strength, stamina, and a love of pulling is an Alaskan husky.

Edit: I just found this quote.

Once trained, sled dogs can remain in top form for years. It's not unusual to see 10-year-old dogs in races.

WOW! That's a healthy dog! On a vaguely related note, one of the dogs who led the Nome serum run in 1925, Togo, was twelve years old at the time.

 

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There are those here that veiw the Alaskan Husky as pets, Bluedawg is half.

 

[princess_poppy]

your 14, how are you going too look after these pups, do you go to school(or learn at home), what would happen if the mother regects the pups and you have to hand rear them, it will be very hard and you will not have much time to your self if any. please think about what your doing, how are you going to be able to show these dogs if you are stil in edication, you have to travel quite far sometimes.

, please stay on this forum and learn a bit more

I've met some pretty nasty American Cockers too! Ever since they've became really popular in th 70's, they where wayyyy overbred, but there are still some good breeders out there who have lines from before then...they are a chore to find, though! Talk about medical nightmare.

which is why i'm hopeing the welshie never becomes to popular:lol-sign: