Don't you think there are enough...

[yuckaduck]

Well with my experiences with shelters and rescues I will never get an animal from them. Not ever! I will always go with a breeder and I will be much more careful with the next breeder than I was with Yukon's. I am still trying to get my third paid for rescue dog here, no return on my phone calls. Three times paid for and three times so far no dog delivered as promised. This is a purebred too, but for some reason she is not here yet as promised. Still holding out hope but I think I was taken for yet again and I guarantee never again.

My neighbours got four dogs from the shelter, all mutts and they are the nicest, kindest dogs. There is nothing wrong with them. I would not want them simply because they are not able to fulfill the purpose I would need fulfilled. By the way, we are almost ready to start our own all breed rescue and I guarantee it will be run much differently then the shelters here. THe fees will be based on what is spent on the dog, spaying/neutering, dogs that require nothing will be free. I want to see these dog re homed not living in kennels for their lives. I am only going to turn away pitti's and not because of the dogs but because of the stupid ban! Every other breed welcome! We hope by Jan 1 to be fully operational, the kennels need decorating right now, and a few odds and ends but need to wait for the money to come in.

 

[gaddylovesdogs]

The shelter we got Colby from was great - we went and checked her out, the next day we signed the papers and took her. They did a check to make sure she was happy, found a puppy that was delighted to have a good family, and left. I haven't been to a shelter since a few weeks ago, just to look for an application to volunteer.

Your future rescue sounds great ! I'm hoping to open up an animal sanctuary some day...the animals will be totally spoiled. My sister Abbie fosters dogs from a rescue. She is very careful to find the perfect home for each dog. A man wanted to adopt her lab mix...she went to talk to him and his wife, never got to talk to his wife because she was pregnant and on bed rest. And he worked ten hours a day. So Abbie talked to the rescue and said she didn't think it was a good idea, the rescue woman was a little annoyed and the man was ticked off, but the dog isn't living a crappy life.

 

[Zoom]

Yucka, that's awesome! Definitely keep us posted! I want to be a foster home and/or a puppy raiser for the Guide dogs programs, but that has to wait until I own my own home. About Dallas, I thought you said you had heard back from the lady finally, she had just been out of the country on a family emergency? Has she not returned your calls since then?

All three of my dogs have been rescues and I can't say that I ever really regretted it. With Meisha, my dobe/lab mix, there were times where I wished we had a 'real' dog. She didn't like to go for walks, be around other dogs (partly our fault, didnt' know about constant socialization back then) wouldn't fetch, play tug of war or even really play at all. She was scared of so many things, but very gentle with people and children. She loved being petted by my mother and that was it. On the other hand, we never had to worry about the house being destroyed when we left her alone. My current two rescues couldn't be any better if I'd raised them since pups. Except maybe Aubrey wouldn't be pulling on lead so much...

 

[yuckaduck]

We want to get the rescue up and running before doing any breeding. We have no dogs worth breeding anyway. Yukon is neutered and Dallas if she ever gets here is spayed. They are family dogs! Pets no breeding unless something really strange happens!

Marc is going to keep his job because rescuing is not to make money, it is to do right by the dogs. There are so many in this area just dumped in the LaRose Forest and it is so sad, I hope to maybe offer a better place then just dumping them. The animal control keeps them three days if they get them and then they destroy them. I am great buddies with the local dog catcher and she would love for us to offer a place for them to bring the dogs if they are not claimed. Right now they have a couple cages in the township garage. YUCK! So it may be a better choice than that! I hope anyway!

We both need to get ourselves trained before we even consider breeding because we want to be able to train ourselves not have to hire someone. Plus I still have a load of stuff I want to learn about appropriate testing and health issues before I even think about venturing down that road. Right now it would be a disaster; for lack of knowledge.

 

[yuckaduck]

Yucka, that's awesome! Definitely keep us posted! I want to be a foster home and/or a puppy raiser for the Guide dogs programs, but that has to wait until I own my own home. About Dallas, I thought you said you had heard back from the lady finally, she had just been out of the country on a family emergency? Has she not returned your calls since then?

She called on a Mon, then called on a Wed and said that Hurrican Ophelia had devasted her. [SHe was no where near the coast or anywhere that was hit hard] A few people that live in the same town as her asked me what the heck I was talking about devastion, they did not even lose power. HMM LIE

SHe promised to call me on the Fri to give me an exact date of when she was bringing Dallas. That was exactly one week ago and nothing! I have left 5 messages so far this week, one ever night and nothing! I also got my phone bill and interesting, she claims the phone number I have is a cell phone; my phone bill says landline in Plainfield New Jersey. SHe claims to live in North Carolina, moved there from NJ due to work. THat is why Dallas needed re homing because she is in an apartment and Dallas is living in a kennel.

I do not know what to believe but since there has been no phone calls returned and there are to many untruths surrounding this, I can only assume I was lied too and screwed. She promised to have Dallas to me before Oct 1 and that is end of next week, so I will know for sure by then and be able to post with out a doubt. Either post that she is a scammer and post her name and phone number, or post pictures of Dallas because she will be here, by Sat, Oct 1.

 

[Vega]

I will never purchase a dog from a breeder. Never. I don't see the point of getting a pet from a breeder. There are plenty of pets in shelters! You don't need to get one from a breeder, just stop at your local shelter and look at all the adorable faces.

But I think that if the breeder is breeding to better the breed, great!! There are some breeders here, and they are responsible.

My thoughts exactly.

Other then that, just go to a shelter. My dog cost $25.00

 

[juliefurry]

In my personal opinion I will probably continue to buy any future dogs from a reputable breeder instead of going to a shelter. We had two rescue dogs and as much as we loved them they just weren't as stable as our Hannah. I will always go and look at shelters first, just in case, but from now on my dogs will come from well researched breeders. From a shelter the dog's background is unknown, any health issues are probably not known, who knows how they were treated or will react to certain situations that the shelter tells you they can handle. When we got Shelby she was a stray and they said she was housebroken and very sweet. Well the whole time we had her she never became housebroken, and was less than sweet to most people on most days. Hannah, who came from a breeder, has had a very stable temperment never gave me any reason to worry about her. I will always check the local shelter first but will probably go to a breeder from now on. My situations from a shelter have always ended up in heartbreak.

 

[Fran27]

It's true too. I know I'm not very trustful of the shelter here either, because they do no background check whatsoever. There's still a couple dogs I would have got there though.

I trust rescues more, but it's true that it depends a lot on their requirements. I'm really happy with Tips, he is a real sweetheart, the only thing that shows he was in a shelter is that he's shy.

But I agree that I just can't browse petfinder and get a pup from a breeder again after that.

 

[bubbatd]

I trust the rescues too....if a breed rescue, they are usually fostered and evaluated before adopted out, so you see and know what you're getting. I feel sorry for shelter dogs, and would probably look there. A stray might be a wonderful dog.... but I'm afraid I'd really be apprehensive about a turned in dog...

 

[gunnerzmama]

Have you noticed that AnimalBiz never bothered to respond to any of you on the thread she started? If you have the time, you should really check out all her posts. She seems to have the knack for being confrontational and a little vulgar in her postings with her use of language. She personally attacked me on a site when I was welcoming a new guest to this site.

 

[Fran27]

True, some people do that.

 

[yuckaduck]

Do not feed the trolls comes to mind right now.....

 

[AndrewF]

Enough UNWANTED pets out there? Please stop your breeding to make a buck, at least until there are no need for animal shelters, humane societies and other rescue groups out there. Disgusting....letting animals "breed" is a very lazy way to make an income! Get off your butt and do it your self. Don't rely on animals having sex to make YOU money. Over 7 million pets get destroyed a year, and yes, you are part to blame, don't think your not. Not ever pup, or kitten get a good home for ever..... Hey, I know I came from another forum, but I have to speak the trouth...freedom of speech and all. Let's see how long this is on here now that I recall a post on "how much did you pay for your dog..." The right answer should have been, about 40.00 from a shelter, not some puppy mill or breeder.
AMY

Hi Amy,
1) Welcome to the forum
2) did it not occur to you that it's people who don't take responsibility for their pets that's the reason for 6.99 million of those 7 million deaths....whether it's a BYB, a lazy sob or someone who was ignorant about what dog ownership involved at the time.
3) lumping all breeders into the same category and saying stop...is much like saying 'all the people should stop breeding until world hunger is no more'. At the very least, it comes across as impulsive and poorly thought out. I would much rather see something constructive on the ideals of promoting responsible pet ownership.
4) people like puppies. Shelters don't always have them. Kind of like how people like babies...they don't want to jump into raising a teen-ager - regardless of the fact theres plenty of more settled dogs out there.

Just my thoughts on the matter anyways.

 

[AndrewF]

i very much agree with the sentiment that breeding for money is bad. there is no excuse for it at all.

I'm not a breeder, and I like mutts so the whole breeding and not making money at it kind of eludes me personally. And while I don't pretend to be a genius, I don't think I'm below the half-way point of general intellect...so - if that logic eludes me, how would the general population (who aren't into a dog community such as this) really be able to distinguish between a legitimate breeder and a BYB. It's sort of like the contracter who's out to take someone's cheque-book for a ride...they talk the talk and a majority of people buy into it. To summarize, for those types of people no excuse is needed when there's a buck to be made - right or wrong.

Unless some sort of regulations come into effect for the breeding of dogs, there will always be BYB's out there and there will always be people who don't know better than to avoid them (EDIT: Including myself at the time I got Jake)

 

[Mordy]

Unless some sort of regulations come into effect for the breeding of dogs, there will always be BYB's out there and there will always be people who don't know better than to avoid them (EDIT: Including myself at the time I got Jake)

sadly that's true, because the "general public" is too lazy and/or ignorant to make an effort researching what pet is right for them and where to get it - or rather not to get it. i'd even go as far as saying the average person spends more time researching what kind of car, computer or entertainment system to get, but it doesn't occur to them that the same thing might be useful for finding a pet or what to feed it.

i don't see much in the way of regulation going to happen in the US, the "land of the free" where profit is more important than anything else. the pet industry is a huge market and they have a more powerful lobby than people who are concerned about animal welfare.

 

[bubbatd]

I agree Mordy...it's even more important as people are having fewer kids and more pets.

 

[amymarley]

K! I did go off a "bit" the other night, and I have been corresponding with another member here through email. I think she NOW knows where I coming from. We both "kinda" went off on each other, but came to a common ground. She knows who she is and if she wants to share what I had to say, that's great, but I am not going to go through it again ( although I think I made a new friend.)
First off, I got p*ssed off for another reason and saw some other things that I don't agree with. BUT, I do respect that you also have freedom of speech.

I was angry for one reason, and then went "off" because of other things I saw posted. I first started because I was defending a friend... then other things got me going. I am not saying that I portrayed myself like I normally would, but what you guys/gals don't realize, as I stated in another post.... I have personally rescused over 300 animals for our shows. We had the humane soc., spca's, every other animal rescue group (reptiles and other exotics included, and was inspected by the USDA. I have been through HELL, every animal group was on my a** to rescue their "babies." AND YES, actual rep. breeders would drop off the "unwanted." Dogs/puppies and cats that didn't meet the "show quality" that was wanted. It was very hard on me, and maybe I took it out on here, and if you never did that, than I am more than humble to apologize.

I saw what people did here for a living, well I have been in the animalbiz for a very long time, and though you may love your dog or cat, I had to indure the disgusting things daily that have been done to animals. See, this is a dog forum, I am an animal person across the board...I will play with tarantulas, scropions, mad. hissing cockroaches, dogs, cats, ducks, horses, dogs, cats, zebras, baboons, monkeys, cougars, sloths, and everything else you throw out there. Yes, I was harsh, but again, I live it daily, while most of you just love your dog the best you can, I get calls, emails, faxes daily on so much abuse. Yes, I handled it badly, I will be the first one the say I was wrong at a certain point... but come on, I am not that wrong on some of the things I have said. And, who ever posted that they are "turned off," please note, I never intended to "turn you on." Better things to do...

Anyway, for the others out there, and the "private person" I have been speaking too.... I do (again) apologize for coming off so strong. I am NOT a bad person, or a troll, I am just very dedicated in what I do, not to mention intense... can't help it, I had to live it..... I did tell the member here that I was not going to ever visit this site again, and didn't care, but I do think many of you are good people and really care. Again, I do apologize for going off as much as I did, but I still stand my ground on a lot of topics that I wrote about. One thing about me, I am honest, I will say what I feel (not that you have to agree) but I am always willing to learn more.
Amy

 

[Zoom]

It's all good...

AND YES, actual rep. breeders would drop off the "unwanted." Dogs/puppies and cats that didn't meet the "show quality" that was wanted

I don't mean to fan any lingering flames from this thread or any other, but the way I (and i'm sure many others here) interpret the definition of "reputable" includes the fact that most of the good breeders have waiting lists for litters that are three or four breedings down the road. I know that one Aussie breeder I was looking at has something like that happening, and this is on top of the fact that they spent a good two or three years researching the breeding before going through with it. If I had settled on this particular kennel, I would have been looking at about three years between putting my name down and actually get a pup. If I ever decide to get a breeder dog, I'm definitely going to go through that one.

I admire what you do, someone has to be out there on the front lines, but to me, it sounds like those breeders who were dropping off the unwanted pups, while probably not puppymills and they didn't exactly count as complete BYB's, still didn't measure up to what most of this board thinks a good rep. breeder should be like.

 

[bubbatd]

Amy, you have a good cause from your heart .... but I do want to state that any GOOD breeders than produce a pup of none show quality will make sure that the pup is sold with spay/neuter policy. I feel 80% of us here are in your corner... we are against BY breeders and those who sell to pet stores etc. I used to answer many " for Sale" ads and ask them questions as to health screening/ hip/etc etc testing just to make them aware ( or hopefully so) what they are doing. Yes, the shelters will always be full of poor dogs. Some lost, some unwanted, some old and too much trouble. These are where our efforts help.

 

[amymarley]

I agree.... BUT.... in ANY profession.... there are good and bad, and I have known "rep. breeders" to dump off "unwanted" pups to the shelters. At first the few I heard of and actually recommended to people, because I thought they were great (from interviews and seeing litters etc... and the way they "distribute.") I was very shocked. Human nature is bizare! This was not in just one state, but several.

Again, that's why I was so hostile... NOT ALL breeders are bad, I agree with that. I also believe we don't need to breed for awhile. I doubt any canines are going extinct soon. But again, this is MY life, what I see, what I live... I sickens me. I have to deal with the animal organizations daily... it hurts my heart. Yes, I can come off badly, but maybe now you know why......

Trust me, there are great breeders out there, but I was the one who had to deal with the so called "rep breeders" in about 24 states. My own babysitter, who is awesome with my little girl, has a dad who breeds bassest hounds... he is "golden" to the community, but I know better from her. I already spoke my "say" to her. Look at Child Protective Services.... that is soooo bad and wrong on so many levels and you want me to send love to dog breeders.... I think not.

Amy