Don't you think there are enough...

Discussion in 'The Breeding Ground' started by amymarley, Sep 23, 2005.

  1. amymarley

    amymarley New Member

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    Enough UNWANTED pets out there? Please stop your breeding to make a buck, at least until there are no need for animal shelters, humane societies and other rescue groups out there. Disgusting....letting animals "breed" is a very lazy way to make an income! Get off your butt and do it your self. Don't rely on animals having sex to make YOU money. Over 7 million pets get destroyed a year, and yes, you are part to blame, don't think your not. Not ever pup, or kitten get a good home for ever..... Hey, I know I came from another forum, but I have to speak the trouth...freedom of speech and all. Let's see how long this is on here now that I recall a post on "how much did you pay for your dog..." The right answer should have been, about 40.00 from a shelter, not some puppy mill or breeder.
    AMY
     
  2. Zoom

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    That's one way to put it...

    Most/many members on here have rescue dogs/cats/horses/whatever, and I do have to say that you are preaching to the choir on this one! :) Welcome to the board, by the way.
     
  3. amymarley

    amymarley New Member

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    I have to say I am very surprised...to get such a great postive response. But have you read all the threads? You are, so far the "shining star" I have seen so far while I was "trolling" this board. Thank you for the nice welcome.
    Amy
     
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    I've read a good deal of them...I haven't dug into the archives, but from what I've garnered in the time I've been here is that while, yes, some of the members do/have bred dogs in the past, it is for all the "right" reasons and not for profit.
     
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    I am not being sarcasitic here, so please help me, what are the RIGHT reasons? The breeders I know will ship a dog/kitten anywhere. I promise you, I have lived it..... all over the country. I have yet to find why some one is doing the RIGHT thing breeding. EXCEPT that they want to keep the litter, because they loved the dog that may have died and wanted to continue his legacy. AND THEY KEPT THEM. Not sold them for profit.
     
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    Thanks Zoom for support of my past breeding. I did it not for profit, but to extend a wonderful line with health and screening that people were seeking. When Goldens became so popular and I no longer could breed what I did for 30-35 years I quit and rescued and had those who wanted my pups look into rescue too. I know of many golden breeders who breed for show/obedience/or field quality. Don't put down legit breeders....without them there would be more dogs in shelters. Go after the BYBers and the pet stores !
     
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    I would only breed if I wanted one from the litter. I don't do it for profit.
     
  8. Mordy

    Mordy Quigleyfied

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    i very much agree with the sentiment that breeding for money is bad. there is no excuse for it at all.

    however, i know a handful of good breeders who don't breed for the money (they barely ever break even on a litter anyway), but for the love of the breed and the desire to preserve and improve it. their puppies don't end up at shelters or rescues either.

    here in the US pet ownership is very much part of the "throwaway society" in which people seem to think it is ok to dump a pet for whatever reason of convenience and get a new one to replace it.

    another fact is that in cases where people don't own a dog just as a pet but are involved in a particular activity, such as for example herding, field trials etc. - you need a dog that's suitable for the job.

    in my opinion, educating people about not buying from pet shops or irresponsible breeders would make more of a difference than laying all the blame on the breeders. it all goes back tothe convenience thing tho, a lot of peopel out there just want a dog NOW, and a convenient way to pick it up or have it shipped to them instead of investing s few months into researching a breed, finding a good breeder and getting on the waiting list for a litter.
     
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    Also who said you make money out of a litter? By the time you pay for the health checks, stud dog, pregnancy checks, extra food, wormer, vaccinations, health checks of the puppy's and the time you spend raising them you will be lucky to break even, and that assuming that all goes well and you don't have to fork out a fortune for a c-section and possibly loose both mum and pups.
     
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    Not to be a downer, but most people on this board do not believe in that either. That is considered a form of backyard breeding. I personally know many people who have bred for that reason, and NONE of them have kept all the puppies. One or two, yes. But the whole litter? Never. Especially if it's a large dog who has 8-10 pups. They're just adding to the population. And if their beloved dog eventually has a problem, like hip dysplasia, they've just passed it on through the pups.

    And just from your initial posts and replies, you seem to have come here with a very confrontational attitude. And you seem to be belittling most of the people on this board. No offense, but that's no way to get across an otherwise sound message. I know you've turned me off, as you can tell.
     
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    Well I agree with the original poster to an extent, but I agree with everyone here - there are different kinds of breeders, and they should not be put in the same basket. There are valid reasons to breed purebred dogs, the main one being to improve the breed and make sure it doesn't die because of poor breeding. There are also lots of reasons why some want a purebred puppy from a good breeder, mostly that they have a certain way of life and feel more comfortable with a certain breed, while when you adopt a dog you have no clue what the character will be - even for purebreds, as you can't know if they were bred from good temperament parents or just for money (the latter is probably the case of most of them).

    Otherwise, I pretty much agree.
     
  12. yuckaduck

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    Oh yeah I am big time turned off too! THere are responsible breeders and I see no reason to bash them. Look at bubbtah a responsible breeder who is very respected here.

    There would be no reliable SAR dogs or police dogs or thearpy dogs or guide dogs without reliable breeders for that.


    I agree if you want just a pet sure go to the shelter, I did and guess what because I have kids they would not even consider me; so I went to a breeder! Go a head complain about it I am very satisfied with my choice and have several friends who have bought from responsible breeders and are very happy too. I would never get a mutt again because I find the purebreds so much nicer. JMO.
     
  13. MyDogsLoveMe

    MyDogsLoveMe My pets love me they do

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    Breeding a dog for profit, well unless you own a very large kennel business and breed non stop there isnt much profit there to be made. Breeding dogs that are not purebread I think is wrong, but breeding to keep a nice line going is not wrong and if done the right way you keep that breed and the blood lines going. A responsible breeder will make sure that the pups that they breed are healthy and in great condition. I own a pure bred papered Siberian whom I am wanting to breed, here is our state siberians are a rare dog as there are not many here. But also when adopting the dogs out there will be a vigours application and screening process. I want to make sure that my babies are going to a very good home and will be treated like mine are with love. I do agree with gem, coming here like that and blasting people isnt the right way to come across and you may find some very offended
     
  14. bubbatd

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    A was at the vets yesterday and a gal brought in a very cute hyper blond 6 month puppy. She was in because of a fungus under her arm pits ( the dog that is !) She had the coloration of a lab, but had a very narrow head , very light eyes and a lot of pink pigment. I thought she was a mix, but owner said she was pure bred..............a true case of bad breeding !
     
  15. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    No responsible breeder will ever breed their dogs to make money. Ever.

    Puppies bred by unwantedI suggest you learn more about what exactly responsible breeders do before you say that they should stop contributing positively to their breed.
     
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    Oh gawd.. I WISH our shelters were that cheap down here.. the price has jacked up to well over $100.. for a dog.. and MORE for a puppy... lol

    Before I purchased my puppy, I did look through our shelters tons.. but honeslty anything I saw just wouldn't have suited me.. so i opted for a breeder. I did research on this breed and contacted several breeders, checked out their backgrounds on them and their dogs etc etc.. It took me a few years to finally decide on which breeder and which dogs I'd want puppies from. So My decision wasn't a spur of the moment type thing.

    I got my puppy from a reputable breeder and I'm definately not ashamed of it. you can't show a mixed breed dog in a CKC or AKC santioned show and that is what i have wanted to do since its been in the family forever..[showing dogs].
     
  17. gaddylovesdogs

    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

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    I will never purchase a dog from a breeder. Never. I don't see the point of getting a pet from a breeder. There are plenty of pets in shelters! You don't need to get one from a breeder, just stop at your local shelter and look at all the adorable faces.

    But I think that if the breeder is breeding to better the breed, great!! There are some breeders here, and they are responsible.
     
  18. yuckaduck

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    If you want just a pet sure why not if you can find something that fits into your family. But if you need something for a purpose not all mutts can and will fulfill that. I was looking for a personal protection dog so I needed something within the breeds to do that. I also have little kids and their safety with a dog to think about. We chose the gsd because we have always loved them and we were and eventually still are hoping to breed, and train dogs for that exact purpose, personal protection. We will not sell puppies, we will train them and then sell them as trained adults, for the love of what we wish to do! Not for the money of it because there is no money in breeding dogs in a responsible manner. I intended to be extremely responsible and very reliable, therefore I am still researching what it means to be a breeder.
     
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    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

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    Mutts are just as good as purebreds - I have two. I guarantee if you met my dogs you'd fall in love. They are simply great dogs. They didn't come from breeders, they're a mixture of breeds. Yet they know a million commands (and respond to them well), they are very healthy, they are great with kids (including small children), they are intelligent, they are sweet, they are adorable, they get along pretty well with other dogs, Tippy has some dog-agression issues we're working on but she's getting MUCH better. What more could you ask for?

    I have a purebred dog too, and I love her so much. She is my big baby and she's just an amazing dog. I love her. She's great at all of her commands, very smart, very healthy, she loves little kids (in fact when my ten-month-old neice was here along with her two-year-old brother May let Gabe sit on her and Seneca crawl all over her), she loves other animals. And NO, she didn't come from a breeder. In fact May has a horrible past of abuse and neglect. She was used as a breeding dog and we found her, emaciated, terrified. She had been beaten. It took a little while for us to calm her, and now she loves everybody.
     
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    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

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    With millions of dogs dying I really just don't see the point of getting a dog from a breeder to use the dog as a pet. If you can't find THE dog in a shelter, ok, maybe then check out some good breeders. But I personally will not buy from a breeder no matter how reputable that breeder is.

    Not all purebreds can fulfill the position as a family dog either. It depends on each individual dog, not just the breed.

    Any dog will protect it's family willingly. Colby is terrier and canaan dog, yes those breeds are very loyal to their families and great guard dogs, and I know if we ever meant someone dangerous they'd get chewed up bad. May is lab and we always joke she'd invite a burglar in for a cup of tea, but I think she would at least bark at a dangerous person. Tippy is like my body guard.
     

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