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"If you're looking to train a happy, reliable companion dog in a minimal amount of time... you're not going to do it by bribing him with treats," said Bill Glatzel, Director of Training for TLC K9 ACADEMY in Phoenix Arizona, and experienced Dog Trainer and Behaviorist of more than 25 years.
BILL GLATZEL's TLC "MAGIC TOUCH" ™ "We use Negative Reinforcement when the dog makes incorrect decisions for permanent, lasting and stable command reliability," says Glatzel. But then he goes on to say, "We also use Positive Reinforcement, and praise when the dog makes the right decision." "The concept of Negative Reinforcement is difficult to teach and learn because of the word "negative." Negative Reinforcement is often confused with Punishment. They are very different, however. I'm sure you have experienced Negative Reinforcement many times and did not even realize it.
Negative Reinforcement strengthens a behavior because a negative condition is stopped or avoided as a consequence of the behavior.
Punishment, on the other hand, weakens a behavior because a negative condition is introduced or experienced as a consequence of the behavior. But Bill Glatzel's detractors say they can train dogs without corrections, by simply using food as a bribe, clickers, toys, positive reinforcement only.
GLATZEL doesn't buy it.. .
Bill Glatzel agrees, "It is possible to train by using food as a bribe. However, it takes many months to years to achieve the same results that I can get with a dog in only a few minutes or hours. And even after months of treat-bribery... if the dog finds something more interesting than your treat... say bye bye to your dog!" "I find it unbelievable that ANY PROFESSIONAL TRAINER/BEHAVIORIST would encourage.
"There is NO WAY you can train a dog to OFF-LEASH RELIABILITY by using food bribery and total positive reinforcement," says Glatzel. "These click and treat, food bribing, Positive Reinforcement Only EXTREMISTS, who call themselves, "Experts," "Behaviorists," "Dog Psychics," "Learning Theory Experts," ignore the TRUE SCIENCE behind LEARNING THEORY, and OPERANT CONDITIONING. They, the so called, "experts," love to extol the virtues of Operant Conditioning, but never mention that they throw out half the science behind canine learning theory, and learning theory in general.
THE TRUTH IS, THE MOST EFFECTIVE MOST HUMANE AND LEAST STRESSFUL WAY FOR A DOG TO LEARN IS WITH BOTH POSITIVE and NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT. The BIG FRAUD of the Treat Slinging crowd of trainers, is that they have DEMONIZED NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT.
Politically Correct amateur dog trainers, and hobbyists, decided that ANYTHING that means a CORRECTION is INHUMANE. This same mentality, says Glatzel, made its way into dog training believe it or not.
"I know," says Glatzel. "These extremists, clicker trainers, the food bribery folks, took it to a whole different level." "The General Dog Owning Public needs to be aware of this fraud, and these snake oil salesman." "This is one of the reasons we at TLC K9 ACADEMY provide a written lifetime guarantee. We spend most of our time fixing problems other trainers and training methods caused. Food bribery often causes aggression.
To prove his point, Glatzel and TLC K9 ACADEMY created the, "$5,000 Charity K9 Training Challenge!" with the following rules, with the most important rule being, ALL WINNING MONEY MUST BE DONATED TO A K9 CHARITY!
THE RULES
#1: You Must Use A Dog Training Approach That Is Fundamentally Different From his: Interpretation: Any approach to dog training that claims that dog training collars, leashes and corrections are some how "wrong" or "cruel" will do fine. If you consider yourself an "Anti-Correction Collar": Cookie Trainer, Food Trainer, Clicker Trainer, Psychic dog trainer, New Age Dog trainer (Energy) or Massage (Use-Only-Your-Hands and No Dog Training Equipment) Dog Trainer... then you're exactly the type of person he's looking for!
#2: Time Limit: Four hours.
#3: Number of dogs to be trained: Each participant will train THREE DOGS.
$5000 Dog Training Challenge
All winning money must be donated to a K9 Chairty
"If you're looking to train a happy, reliable companion dog in a minimal amount of time... you're not going to do it by bribing him with treats," said Bill Glatzel, Director of Training for TLC K9 ACADEMY in Phoenix Arizona, and experienced Dog Trainer and Behaviorist of more than 25 years.
BILL GLATZEL's TLC "MAGIC TOUCH" ™ "We use Negative Reinforcement when the dog makes incorrect decisions for permanent, lasting and stable command reliability," says Glatzel. But then he goes on to say, "We also use Positive Reinforcement, and praise when the dog makes the right decision." "The concept of Negative Reinforcement is difficult to teach and learn because of the word "negative." Negative Reinforcement is often confused with Punishment. They are very different, however. I'm sure you have experienced Negative Reinforcement many times and did not even realize it.
Negative Reinforcement strengthens a behavior because a negative condition is stopped or avoided as a consequence of the behavior.
Punishment, on the other hand, weakens a behavior because a negative condition is introduced or experienced as a consequence of the behavior. But Bill Glatzel's detractors say they can train dogs without corrections, by simply using food as a bribe, clickers, toys, positive reinforcement only.
GLATZEL doesn't buy it.. .
Bill Glatzel agrees, "It is possible to train by using food as a bribe. However, it takes many months to years to achieve the same results that I can get with a dog in only a few minutes or hours. And even after months of treat-bribery... if the dog finds something more interesting than your treat... say bye bye to your dog!" "I find it unbelievable that ANY PROFESSIONAL TRAINER/BEHAVIORIST would encourage.
"There is NO WAY you can train a dog to OFF-LEASH RELIABILITY by using food bribery and total positive reinforcement," says Glatzel. "These click and treat, food bribing, Positive Reinforcement Only EXTREMISTS, who call themselves, "Experts," "Behaviorists," "Dog Psychics," "Learning Theory Experts," ignore the TRUE SCIENCE behind LEARNING THEORY, and OPERANT CONDITIONING. They, the so called, "experts," love to extol the virtues of Operant Conditioning, but never mention that they throw out half the science behind canine learning theory, and learning theory in general.
THE TRUTH IS, THE MOST EFFECTIVE MOST HUMANE AND LEAST STRESSFUL WAY FOR A DOG TO LEARN IS WITH BOTH POSITIVE and NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT. The BIG FRAUD of the Treat Slinging crowd of trainers, is that they have DEMONIZED NEGATIVE REINFORCEMENT.
Politically Correct amateur dog trainers, and hobbyists, decided that ANYTHING that means a CORRECTION is INHUMANE. This same mentality, says Glatzel, made its way into dog training believe it or not.
"I know," says Glatzel. "These extremists, clicker trainers, the food bribery folks, took it to a whole different level." "The General Dog Owning Public needs to be aware of this fraud, and these snake oil salesman." "This is one of the reasons we at TLC K9 ACADEMY provide a written lifetime guarantee. We spend most of our time fixing problems other trainers and training methods caused. Food bribery often causes aggression.
To prove his point, Glatzel and TLC K9 ACADEMY created the, "$5,000 Charity K9 Training Challenge!" with the following rules, with the most important rule being, ALL WINNING MONEY MUST BE DONATED TO A K9 CHARITY!
THE RULES
#1: You Must Use A Dog Training Approach That Is Fundamentally Different From his: Interpretation: Any approach to dog training that claims that dog training collars, leashes and corrections are some how "wrong" or "cruel" will do fine. If you consider yourself an "Anti-Correction Collar": Cookie Trainer, Food Trainer, Clicker Trainer, Psychic dog trainer, New Age Dog trainer (Energy) or Massage (Use-Only-Your-Hands and No Dog Training Equipment) Dog Trainer... then you're exactly the type of person he's looking for!
#2: Time Limit: Four hours.
#3: Number of dogs to be trained: Each participant will train THREE DOGS.
So your argument is that, what, you know how to use Google to find other outdated trainers? Awesome. I bet I can use Google to find someone who swears by telepathy as a training method, doesn't make them anymore valid.
Yay, more people who don't know what they're talking about, coming to help out their fallen comrade, who can't be bothered to come back and defend HER OWN BUSINESS.
Anything else aside, that's just sheer cowardice and shows a lack of faith in her own methods. If you have time to spam for business, you have time to defend it as well.
Yay, more people who don't know what they're talking about, coming to help out their fallen comrade, who can't be bothered to come back and defend HER OWN BUSINESS.
Anything else aside, that's just sheer cowardice and shows a lack of faith in her own methods. If you have time to spam for business, you have time to defend it as well.
Op with the alias issue...
Please learn about what you are trying to dismiss. Training with treats is NOT bribing unless you are doing it wrong. I am pretty sure everyone is fairly against bribing as its harder to fade. (also known as luring) Luring and rewarding with food are NOT THE SAME THINGS. To continue expounding your ignorance of this just shows shoddy attention to detail.
On the other hand.. I noticed the op did film work on Stargate sg-1. I need to go back to see if that was her dog. But if it is .... its one of the performances I have spoken about as 'bad' and 'unbelievable'. Now this may NOT be her dog. But it was a golden.... (the dog was running to someone who was supposed to be its owner.. but when it got to the person stopped and mowed down on obvious treats on the ground showing NO interest in their 'owner'.)
I will get around to looking it up (I have every episode of stargate.. but there are 10 seasons to wade through)
Another interesting point. The OP does not have an IMdB page. She didn't bother to make one, nor did anyone make one for her. (as an aside I found someone on the last movie made an ImdB page for Dekka :rofl1: )
Please learn about what you are trying to dismiss. Training with treats is NOT bribing unless you are doing it wrong. I am pretty sure everyone is fairly against bribing as its harder to fade. (also known as luring) Luring and rewarding with food are NOT THE SAME THINGS. To continue expounding your ignorance of this just shows shoddy attention to detail.
On the other hand.. I noticed the op did film work on Stargate sg-1. I need to go back to see if that was her dog. But if it is .... its one of the performances I have spoken about as 'bad' and 'unbelievable'. Now this may NOT be her dog. But it was a golden.... (the dog was running to someone who was supposed to be its owner.. but when it got to the person stopped and mowed down on obvious treats on the ground showing NO interest in their 'owner'.)
I will get around to looking it up (I have every episode of stargate.. but there are 10 seasons to wade through)
Another interesting point. The OP does not have an IMdB page. She didn't bother to make one, nor did anyone make one for her. (as an aside I found someone on the last movie made an ImdB page for Dekka :rofl1: )
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You know this would be fun! Esp if you could choose a competition that wouldn't reward shut down dogs. Like training basic agility sequences where speed is important as well as accuracy. Or rally...
But I bet its one of those lets see who can get the dog to shut down the best with lots of stays and ignoring crazy distractions. Vs training the dog to DO things. Simply suppress the dog and go 'voila it is trained'
The best test would be at the end of the 4 hours the dogs all lose their reinforcers. So all dogs would have to compete naked with no rewards... I bet the shock collar trained dogs wouldn't be so suppressed once they figured out the was no shock coming
Oh and lets all train whippets, or some obnoxious terriers. Just to make it interesting, the sort of dogs who don't care about working for praise...
But I bet its one of those lets see who can get the dog to shut down the best with lots of stays and ignoring crazy distractions. Vs training the dog to DO things. Simply suppress the dog and go 'voila it is trained'
The best test would be at the end of the 4 hours the dogs all lose their reinforcers. So all dogs would have to compete naked with no rewards... I bet the shock collar trained dogs wouldn't be so suppressed once they figured out the was no shock coming
Oh and lets all train whippets, or some obnoxious terriers. Just to make it interesting, the sort of dogs who don't care about working for praise...
Actually, luring and bribing aren't really the same thing. Luring isn't all that difficult to fade, IME, but bribes are.
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Or even more interesting...dogs like Nyx who will switch into fight drive and take you down in the blink of an eye for a correction. Or Morgan, who will simply go deaf really fast.
Hey, anyone who wants to go through and create that many aliases and all go through the same AOL proxy IP to try and "hide" is obviously very passionate about being seen as schizophrenic, so who am I to deny them that?
Or even more interesting...dogs like Nyx who will switch into fight drive and take you down in the blink of an eye for a correction. Or Morgan, who will simply go deaf really fast.
Luring is bribing (there are other ways to bribe) but its still 'see i have a cookie? here have it' *once the behaviour is done. Unless you lure and then don't give up the cookie... Still trainers like Susan Garrett have workshops called lurers anonymous and consider it bribing.
The JRTs are good at being deaf if you get all correctionish on them. "Oh look you are having a fit of some kind.. I think I will ignore you until you stop being Mrs Scary Woman.. kthnx"
The JRTs are good at being deaf if you get all correctionish on them. "Oh look you are having a fit of some kind.. I think I will ignore you until you stop being Mrs Scary Woman.. kthnx"
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I'll participate in the competition if and only if I can put the shock collars etc where they truly belong
It's only fair...after all...who is responsible for behavior of the dogs? The trainer, right? So who needs the corrections?
I am willing to bet they become interested in positive methods and food rewards really quickly :rofl1:
It's only fair...after all...who is responsible for behavior of the dogs? The trainer, right? So who needs the corrections?
I am willing to bet they become interested in positive methods and food rewards really quickly :rofl1:
I'll participate in the competition if and only if I can put the shock collars etc where they truly belong
It's only fair...after all...who is responsible for behavior of the dogs? The trainer, right? So who needs the corrections?
I am willing to bet they become interested in positive methods and food rewards really quickly :rofl1:
It's only fair...after all...who is responsible for behavior of the dogs? The trainer, right? So who needs the corrections?
I am willing to bet they become interested in positive methods and food rewards really quickly :rofl1:
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The thing about studies is....one must be able to read and understand them to benefit from them
"Studies? We don't need no stinking studies! My dog cringes and pisses all over itself when I ask it to do things! That means it knows I am alpha!"
Tell you what, though....I am a tad concerned that a "shock and awe" trainers are now co-opting the term "behaviorist." It means the morons have decided it is a good marketing strategy (never mind that they do not have any actual education in the field) and I expect it to be utilized by the lunatic fringe on a regular basis now
"Studies? We don't need no stinking studies! My dog cringes and pisses all over itself when I ask it to do things! That means it knows I am alpha!"
Tell you what, though....I am a tad concerned that a "shock and awe" trainers are now co-opting the term "behaviorist." It means the morons have decided it is a good marketing strategy (never mind that they do not have any actual education in the field) and I expect it to be utilized by the lunatic fringe on a regular basis now
Except that with a lure, you use the cookie to show the dog what you want. Which then easily turns into a hand signal without the cookie.
A bribe tells the dog nothing except that you have food for him.
Lures, Rewards and Bribes | Dog Star Daily
Oh, absolutely.
*Will train for chocolate*
A bribe tells the dog nothing except that you have food for him.
Lures, Rewards and Bribes | Dog Star Daily
Oh, absolutely.
*Will train for chocolate*
Evil mod abusing his powers here. I'm sure you've all figured it out that these are all the same people. Mark Johnson, Bill and Donald all have the same IP address. All three users have "aol.com" addresses. Not only are their training methods outdated, but their ISP is outdated :rofl1:
Was going to ban them outright for violation of the "one account per member" rule, but you guys go ahead and enjoy playing with the little troll(s)
Was going to ban them outright for violation of the "one account per member" rule, but you guys go ahead and enjoy playing with the little troll(s)
Isn't it amazing that Mark/Donnie/Bill didn't figure we would know that it was the same person?? Funny how they don't have enough knowledge to directly answer questions either, sad.
Now Mark/Donnie/Bill, please explain to me how I could have a Jrt (Jack Russell Terrier) with extremely high prey drives (that also is a proven working (hunting) dog) call off cats and once a flock of wild turkeys that he was chasing, when I have ONLY ever used clickers and positive reinforcement training with him? Or please explain how I can take a dog to a cattlemans BBQ, leave the dog without a leash or collar on him, sitting in the box of my truck with the tailgate down, leave a plate of steaming roast beef and all the fix'ns and leave. Knowing that he wont touch it.........and by leaving I am not talking about moving a few feet away from him, but walking hundreds of feet way, beyond a crowd and go into a huge tent (forgot my drink) to come back to a dog that never so much as moved an inch towards that plate. Btw, I set the plate less than two feet from him and do you know what he got for leaving that plate of food?? Yep he got some, what a good dog!! And if you assume that I have only had success with one dog ^^^^, and he is the exception... you would be wrong.
I don't think for 2 seconds that you are going to reply but my point is, myself and others live with dogs everyday that are proof that the methods that you claim don't work actually do work and very well. As for clickers/rewards making a dog aggressive, that makes me sad everytime I hear it but on the other hand it also makes me laugh at the pure ignorance of such a statement.
Now Mark/Donnie/Bill, please explain to me how I could have a Jrt (Jack Russell Terrier) with extremely high prey drives (that also is a proven working (hunting) dog) call off cats and once a flock of wild turkeys that he was chasing, when I have ONLY ever used clickers and positive reinforcement training with him? Or please explain how I can take a dog to a cattlemans BBQ, leave the dog without a leash or collar on him, sitting in the box of my truck with the tailgate down, leave a plate of steaming roast beef and all the fix'ns and leave. Knowing that he wont touch it.........and by leaving I am not talking about moving a few feet away from him, but walking hundreds of feet way, beyond a crowd and go into a huge tent (forgot my drink) to come back to a dog that never so much as moved an inch towards that plate. Btw, I set the plate less than two feet from him and do you know what he got for leaving that plate of food?? Yep he got some, what a good dog!! And if you assume that I have only had success with one dog ^^^^, and he is the exception... you would be wrong.
I don't think for 2 seconds that you are going to reply but my point is, myself and others live with dogs everyday that are proof that the methods that you claim don't work actually do work and very well. As for clickers/rewards making a dog aggressive, that makes me sad everytime I hear it but on the other hand it also makes me laugh at the pure ignorance of such a statement.