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Discussion in 'Dogs - General Dog Chat' started by Richie12345, Aug 9, 2005.

  1. Richie12345

    Richie12345 Active Member

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    This is real freaky... I never knew my dad's method would work... but... it did... freaky...

    Ok, well Cooper is not allowed upstairs but he always is upstairs. So my dad got mad at Coop and slapped him real hard in the bottom and said "Get down stairs!" right in front of me. I was shocked, scared, and guilty. Well, a couple hours later I went upstairs and came back down... there was Cooper on the bottom of the stairs waiting patiently wagging his tail and everything :eek:!

    The books I read said that hitting a dog wouldn't help at all. But for this it did!

    Anyways, comments here







    I'm still not believing this
     
  2. blue

    blue Jerk.

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    Maybe Coop thinks your dad is the alpha?
     
  3. Doberluv

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    Abusive methods will indeed work, in that the dog will do anything to avoid being hurt or frightened. But abuse is NEVER the answer. It can make a dog fearful and defensive and unhappy. If this happens often, the dog will be a coward who slinks around miserably and that is a dangerous and sad thing. It can also make him very submissive and he can develop submissive urination where upon seeing your Dad, he urinates in appeasement. It can cause fear biting. A much better way is to show the dog what you want and reward lavishly for his obeying. Prevent him from going upstairs. Don't let him get whatever it is he likes upstairs. Block it off. Show him what you mean. Take him right back down over and over if he follows you. You can give a firm vocal command like "no" if you want. But don't hit him like your Dad did. Try to explain to your Dad this is no way to treat a little pup. He doesn't know what is expected of him yet. It's a gradual process and shouldn't be rushed. He needs to be a happy pupppy. If he is treated like this often, he should be in a new home if it would be allowed.
     
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    Saje Island dweller

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    Nanook must have been treated like that in the past. She submissive pees and when I reach for her collar she cowers. We don't hit her. I take my time with her and she's learning to trust me. She loves her new home. You don't want your dog to be like that do you?
     
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    thewhitewitchone New Member

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    Richie...hate to say this but your dad sounds like the kind of man who would hit your dog for even peeing submissively. It sounds like he has Zero patience.

    Pam
     
  6. Richie12345

    Richie12345 Active Member

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    Oh, don't worry, I would NEVER hit my dog. And I'm still gonna try to convince him that it's the wrong thing to do
     
  7. Richie12345

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    yup... I think I can talk to him now. He kinda feels sorry for what he said b4
     
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    bubbatd Moderator

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    I don't believe in hitting, but sometimes a spank does prove a point ....as in children.
     
  9. BigDog2191

    BigDog2191 Big German Shepherd

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    But it's wrong for a dog?

    But I would agree, it causes fear aggression in dogs, a very serious problem to have...
     
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    Yeah, I suppose hitting/spanking does "work". They'll be sure not to do it when they will get caught. But what's going to stop them from doing it when you are not around? I think it's the same for kids and dogs, it doesn't really teach them anything.

    I'm sorry your dad hit Cooper, Richie. Just try to keep him out of your dad's way.
     
  11. h2304

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    Any technque will work if you scare the hell out of the dog.
     
  12. Richie12345

    Richie12345 Active Member

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    yeah, thanks for the advice :rolleyes:
     
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    scaring might cause fear to enter the dog's mind and attack the person who is scaring him
     
  14. Zoom

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    I agree. You see momma dogs give disciplinary nips to their puppies all the time. It shockes the pup, and probably scares it for a second because this is something new and different, but you know the pup will listen to the mother. Maybe because it doesn't want to get nipped again, maybe because it learned it's lesson. Either way, momma dog rules the roost.

    The problem with this being applied by a human is that it's really hard to figure out where the line is between a "hand nip" and an outright smack upside the head.
     
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    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

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    The girls get a light slap on the butt only if they've done something horribly bad. If we come back to a room full of garbage, we just point at the mess, say, "NO! BAD DOG!!" and then they get a timeout while we clean up after them.
     
  16. Mordy

    Mordy Quigleyfied

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    ugg. punishment after the fact, that's not good. either you do it while catching them in the act, or not at all.

    what you are doing just teaches the dogs that they can't trust you.
     
  17. BigDog2191

    BigDog2191 Big German Shepherd

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    If you point at the trash, I'm sure they know what you're talking about. My dad and I came home one day to see trash EVERYWHERE because he got out of his spot (where we keep him when he's gone).

    All we did was stare at the trash and he walked off real slowly crouched down with his ears behind his back-- he knew he'd done wrong....all we did after that was yell at the trash, good technique.
     
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    Big dog...I'm afraid that the dog didn't know what he had done wrong. He sensed and saw your body language and tenseness/anger under the surface and was afraid of you. Something....some punishments that he has experienced in assoication with this body language, tense and agry countenance that you had, triggered his fearful, "shameful" appearance. Dogs cannot connect a condition and a response with that much time inbetween. It has to happen while the act is occuring or within 4 seconds of it's occurance. Punishing a dog after the fact, as Mordy said, only makes the dog fear and distrust you. This is exactly why I am all for positive method training. Too many people do not understand about the timing and delivery of punishment or reward for that matter or canine behavior and psychology and cause more problems with their dogs. It's absolutely unfair to punish a dog for something he has no idea what it is you're getting after him about.

    I urge you to read that clicker training thread and read those links. That is the most fun and kind way to train an animal....any animal.
     
  19. BigDog2191

    BigDog2191 Big German Shepherd

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    I'll have to beg to differ. Wasn't tense or angry at all-- I was surprised.
     
  20. gaddylovesdogs

    gaddylovesdogs no touchy

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    For ya'll...

    We point at the mess, say, "NO!" and then they get a two-minute timeout. It's not like we lock them up for two hours :rolleyes:. Yes, I know the "the dog doesn't remember" thing, but when I point at the mess, my dogs realise. Sometimes I don't even say anything if it's something small I just say, "Ah great what did you do?" and clean it up. It's seriously not a big deal LOL. And just so you all know, they rarely tear things apart, they are usually very calm in the house and know that they shouldn't mess.
     

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