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boy aleron, it's a good thing it never gets near 70 in OH :)

if a mammal can't survive in 70 degree temps without ac in north america, i'm guessing it's already extinct, or one is raising some seriously sick animals.

If a mammal needs kibble to survive, how the hell did it last this long in the evolutionary scale?
It is obvious that you no absolutely nothing about ferrets, so maybe you should lose the attitude. Or shut it.

Did I say it absolutely needed a/c? NO. People can get away with fans, ice bottles, etc. I said that I do WHAT WORKS FOR ME.

Did I say all ferrets need kibble to survive? Why no, no I did not. I said that MY FERRET, Renegade, CANNOT EAT RAW MEAT. He will die. He can only handle fish IN KIBBLE. He cannot handle raw fish. Or sorry, should I just say "**** you, you can die"?

Ferrets are DOMESTIC, not domesticated. They survive solely on humans to survive. They do not survive in the wild. They cannot. Before you say it, black-footed ferrets are further from domestic ferrets than weasels and polecats.
 

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We dun screwed up years ago with most of our creations and there for most of them rely extremely heavily on our presence and care. (or succeeded, however you look at it.)

Bob the bulldog... need I say more? lol
 

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We dun screwed up years ago with most of our creations and there for most of them rely extremely heavily on our presence and care. (or succeeded, however you look at it.)

Bob the bulldog... need I say more? lol
LOL pretty much. Ferrets are extremely dependant in NA. Unfortunately, I have the "pleasure" of dealing with the after-effects of people who don't think they are dependant :(
 

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Dogs as wild animals (if they ever existed as a wild animal... vs evolved as a domestic animal) ARE extinct.
 

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And as I have said, I see somebody saying it is fine to leave dogs for extended periods of times, an abusive owner who should not own pets :)

And why yes, ferrets are very sick animals for the most part, thanks to ferret mills. NA ferrets are nothing like the true ones in the UK. Does not mean they have any less right to be alive by any means necessary.
 

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FWIW ferrets are domesticated vs. domestic. Domestic implies captive born wild animals - pet skunks are "domestic skunks" but they are not domesticated. "Domestication (from Latin domesticus) or taming is the process whereby a population of animals or plants, through a process of selection, becomes accustomed to human provision and control. In the Convention on Biological Diversity a domesticated species is defined as a 'species in which the evolutionary process has been influenced by humans to meet their needs'[1]." Domestication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

boy aleron, it's a good thing it never gets near 70 in OH :)
Guess so ;)

Honestly, I can't post on ferret forums because thanks to the internet there is such widespread misinformation about their care that I can't really find common ground with most other ferret owners. Yet, I've owned ferrets longer than the majority of people posting on ferret forums, have bred ferrets, rescued ferrets and have had ferrets all live long, healthy lives once I stopped caring for them in the typical American way. One of the ferret vets in the country (possibly world) said that my Morgan was one of the oldest ferrets he's ever worked on and was surprised at how good she looked for being so old. She was about 10 at the the time and had eaten raw food from 8 weeks on and was only vaccinated once - at the commercial breeder's before I got her at 8 weeks old. Unfortunately she was spayed there too and did end up with Adrenal Disease when she was about 8 years old. But still, pretty good :)

FWIW Kibble did kill plenty of my early ferrets, as well as eight of my friend's ferrets. Ferrets in North America are unhealthy compared to European ferrets but it isn't because of the breeding or at least not entirely (and it isn't because of the "mills" necessarily, although they are a common target). In the 90s private ferret breeders were sure American ferrets were unhealthy because of poor genetics, so they started importing ferrets from lines with good longevity. Unfortunately, once here those imported ferrets and their offspring, they died young of the same things our's do - namely Adrenal and Insulinoma. Of course, the craze of wanting ferrets with symptoms of neural crest disorders (cute white markings that bring some pretty bad defects with them) didn't do much to help ferrets but the private breeders were/are equally guilty of breeding for them as the commercial breeders. But it by far isn't the only or even the main problem with American ferrets.

The main problem is that Americans want "pre-packaged pet ferrets". They want to buy them kits from petstores already altered and descented (necessary? healthy? who cares - it's cheaper and you don't want them to stink!), keep them in cages exposed to unnatural light cycles (cause you know, they're pets), vaccinate them every year (or they will die! :yikes:) and feed them pre-packaged food that says on the label it's for ferrets. Now ferrets are more commonly kept as pets in Europe and as such, are seeing a rise in health problems similar to our ferrets. American owners will dispute all day long that ferrets are just fragile creatures but really, ferrets are actually hardy animals if cared for properly. Their purpose for domestication was never as pets but as working animals, owned by rabbit hunters. Ferrets traditionally were/are housed in outdoor enclosures and fed a "carcass diet". Working ferrets are still kept in that manner in places where it is still legal to hunt with them. I do believe pet ferret owners are well meaning and think they are caring properly for their ferrets. Plenty of books, magazines and forums support the "American way" of ferret care. It's just that the results don't tend to support the methods.

“What is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right.â€
 

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Also I'd like to add that nothing about ferrets is that unnatural, so definitely can't compare them to Bulldogs. They actually look almost identical to European polecats which they can be (and are) interbred with. There are feral populations of domesticated ferrets that are so successful that they are looked at as invasive pests:

Are Ireland's feral ferrets hiding in Fermanagh? | World News

Feral Ferrets - Domestic Ferrets Gone Wild! | That Pet Blog

Most Unwanted Species | Established | Terrestrial | Feral Ferret | Invasive Species Ireland
 

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Also I'd like to add that nothing about ferrets is that unnatural, so definitely can't compare them to Bulldogs. They actually look almost identical to European polecats which they can be (and are) interbred with. There are feral populations of domesticated ferrets that are so successful that they are looked at as invasive pests:

Are Ireland's feral ferrets hiding in Fermanagh? | World News

Feral Ferrets - Domestic Ferrets Gone Wild! | That Pet Blog

Most Unwanted Species | Established | Terrestrial | Feral Ferret | Invasive Species Ireland
 
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It's moments like these Aleron I wish Chaz had a 'like' button because that post was so full of awesome.
 
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Looks like i'm not the only one that knows nothing about ferrets :) Thanks for the education Aleron.

and on the topic of extinct dogs, considering there are canines of all varieties on every continent, except for maybe Antarctica, and living under all sorts of conditions from total human dependance, to none and they aren't extinct, you're going to have a tough time convincing me they aren't built to survive on their own. I'm sure there are a few breeds that would become "extinct", but hardly the species if man kicked them out of their homes.
 

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It's moments like these Aleron I wish Chaz had a 'like' button because that post was so full of awesome.
^ This.

I feed my ferrets kibble because I can't feed raw...but I make sure the kibble they are on is high quality. I don't vaccinate my ferrets, either. And while we have A/C, my bedroom is weird about being cooled and frequently stays above 80*F in the summer. (But, I also make sure they have ice water bottles wrapped in a towel to keep their bedding cool and a wading pool to play in, plus fans. I don't think it is the heat that bothers them so much as it is the humidity levels.)

It is, IMO, the husbandry that causes all of the health problems in ferrets. European ferrets aren't S/N at early ages, are fed raw diets, kept in natural lighting conditions, and aren't vaccinated and they are much healthier than ours here in America. I find that perfectly easy to believe, especially since altering, vaccinations, and diet have been shown to have effects in other species as well.
 

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Just to jump on, without reading it all (re. ferrets). Ferrets here are generally pretty hardy little buggers.

Certainly not considered high maintenance pets. Yorkshire (where I am from) has a reputation for ferrets, they're kept by the old world men and put down your trousers. Don't ask me why ;)

But overall they're not common house pets, kept only by those who don't mind a bit of a stink (de-scenting - wtf?). I'd argue they're only being kept indoors in their recent history and that most are still outdoor pets, kept in hutches and the like. The phenomenon for indoor pets (rabbits etc) is becoming much more popular.
 
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Oh boy how I love Chaz. :popcorn:

First of all, I find what happened to this Akita very sad. Would I leave my dogs indoors on a summer day for 24 hours without AC? NO. Not even with water. I wouldn't even be able to sleep if I left my dogs alone for 24 hours. Outside or inside. I would worry. It's the potty aspect that really bothers me. That poor dog had to have been SO stressed, he probably over heated himself. I think this media stuff is a load of BS. SA, DA, whatever. None of it makes sense. She has APBTs, she has to be familiar with the DA aspect and how to handle it, she has multiple dogs, she has to be familiar with crate and rotate. Being a trainer, she SHOULD be familiar with SA and how to handle it. WHY would she leave a dog with SA in her STORE, in her BUSINESS, to sh*t everywhere and have a mental breakdown, yeah right. Come on now.

Anyway. I have left my rats home alone for a weekend. In the summer I make sure they are in a cool room and someone comes down to make sure the house is nice and cool; I have frozen water bottles in the freezer so if it's hot my neighbor can put one in there as well as some frozen peas and ice cubes because they, too, overheat fairly easily. I have left my tortoise for a weekend, but never more than one full day because he needs fresh veggies and his light turned off/on. He has always had an open, hand-built wooden enclosure that provides ventalation. I wouldn't leave him in the summer if he was in a tank, he would probably survive, but I would worry. I don't leave my cat for more than a weekend without her being checked on. My dogs have NEVER been left alone without a potty break for more than 8 hours. The poor things would try SO hard to hold it after 12 hours passed and then freak out for the rest of the day knowing they pottied inside. Is that babying them? I don't believe so. I think that's just basic dog care. My dogs do NOT like going potty inside. If they have a diahreea accident they always have it right in front of the door and act ashamed when it is found.

Although I do not agree with this woman's actions...

Dude, just because she only posts on a forum to brag about her dogs titles doesn't make her a bad dog owner. That does not correlate to me at all.
I agree with this statement. I think it is SO ridiculous that judgements are being made that this woman is not a dog lover because she only posts about her dogs. Maybe she doesn't see forums the way we do. She's not familiar with Chaz. Sure, critisize her as much as you want from the articles...but to make judgments about her based on her posts about her dogs and her lack of replies to your threads...that's extremely ridiculous to me. WHO CARES.
 

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I agree with this statement. I think it is SO ridiculous that judgements are being made that this woman is not a dog lover because she only posts about her dogs. Maybe she doesn't see forums the way we do. She's not familiar with Chaz. Sure, critisize her as much as you want from the articles...but to make judgments about her based on her posts about her dogs and her lack of replies to your threads...that's extremely ridiculous to me. WHO CARES.
I'm not going to comment on anything except this.. I "know" Carla through another forum and FB, and she regularly comments on everyone's threads there, and has commented on numerous photos of my dogs on FB.
 

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