dog attack blind woman
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If they took the pit mixes out of the 'pit bull type' category, what would that achieve? It would turn the stats on their head, yes. But the results would be the same. The unverifiable pit bulls, those mixes and unknown dogs who clearly shared ancestry with the AKC-registered AmStaffs and UKC-registered APBTs, would still be responsible for the majority of fatal dog attacks.
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/d...es/wfaa060904_jfh_pitbullattack.6911921d.html
I believe this is the same attack - apparently some people did witness the attack, so those who made the comments of 'the lady was blind, so how'd she know it was a pit bull and not a labrador?' might possibly be reassured that this was not a blind attack on the poor, beleaguered pit bull.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060817/BREAKING/60817006
And just for fun, the above is a link to a story about a guide dog mauling another dog - the guide dog was a GSD who attacked a Maltese.
I believe this is the same attack - apparently some people did witness the attack, so those who made the comments of 'the lady was blind, so how'd she know it was a pit bull and not a labrador?' might possibly be reassured that this was not a blind attack on the poor, beleaguered pit bull.
http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060817/BREAKING/60817006
And just for fun, the above is a link to a story about a guide dog mauling another dog - the guide dog was a GSD who attacked a Maltese.
well, what does it achieve blaming the breed of dog for the irresponsibility of the owner? statistically male dogs are much more lethal than females. stastically chained dogs are much more lethal than any single breed category. so why the fixation on breed?
the unverifiable pits may very well *not* have any pit bull or am staff blood in them at all. boxer, mastiff, even lab mixes have been identified as pit bulls.
the unverifiable pits may very well *not* have any pit bull or am staff blood in them at all. boxer, mastiff, even lab mixes have been identified as pit bulls.
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Some of you will notice that I posted the same link to the complete story about this Pit Bull(s) attack on this blind lady and her Seeing Eye Dog, several times in in reply's to the people claiming that this entire story was an attack on the poor sweet pit bulls. . What really got me about this thread, and I should have expected it, was how quick of some of you were to attack the blind ladie's credability, when she claimed that a Pit Bull attacked her and she knew the owner. I suppose none of you can imagine what was going though this blind person's mind when 2 Pit Bulls were trying to rip her and her dog apart and she couldn't see what was going on. I bet she was absolutely terrified, and all some of you can say is " She probably made up the story".. Unreal!!!
As far as my hating Pit Bulls, you probably would have been surpised to hear me talking to the person in the Emergency Vet hospital last week. It took me about 10 minutes, but I finally talked him out of going home and getting his 12 gauge and blowing the Pit Bull's head off that almost severed his dog's front leg( which he was hell bent on doing when he first spoke to the people in the waiting room ) , and calling the Police and Animal control instead. I was the only one there that tried to talk him out of it.
As far as my hating Pit Bulls, you probably would have been surpised to hear me talking to the person in the Emergency Vet hospital last week. It took me about 10 minutes, but I finally talked him out of going home and getting his 12 gauge and blowing the Pit Bull's head off that almost severed his dog's front leg( which he was hell bent on doing when he first spoke to the people in the waiting room ) , and calling the Police and Animal control instead. I was the only one there that tried to talk him out of it.
The thing is, even though the almost bottom line is that it IS irresponsible owners, breeders etc, not the dog's fault....the very bottom line is, that all that aside, when these dogs do attack, they tend to be extraordinarily determined and tenactious...more difficult to break off the attack. And this is what is particularily dangerous. I'm not saying that other dogs don't attack or are dangerous too, but these dogs were designed and bred for fighting. Their jaws are incredible.
So, yes...it is the fault of owners for letting their dogs loose and it is the fault of bad breeders who breed bad temperaments sometimes. But when these dogs get loose, I think the risk is very great that if they do attack, the damage will be terrific. They just don't stop easily.
So, blaming the owners and bad breeders instead of the breed doesn't stop the attacks on dogs or people. If this is true, that statistically, Pits are attacking by such large numbers, then I understand peoples' worry about them as a breed. Sure, other dogs attack and are horribly dangerous too. But I do hear about an awful lot of pit attacks...media or not.
I'm sort of on the fence with this, I guess. I don't like breed legislation. Heaven knows...I have a Doberman. And I wouldn't like it even if I didn't have a Doberman.
I guess owners need to pay handsomely for their carelessness. They need their dogs taken away, maybe a ban on them for ever owning another dog again.....if their dog seriously attacks someone....regardless of the breed.
I was bitten seriously by some mixed breed dog, not very big...I think a Lab/terrier type mix. (?)
So, yes...it is the fault of owners for letting their dogs loose and it is the fault of bad breeders who breed bad temperaments sometimes. But when these dogs get loose, I think the risk is very great that if they do attack, the damage will be terrific. They just don't stop easily.
So, blaming the owners and bad breeders instead of the breed doesn't stop the attacks on dogs or people. If this is true, that statistically, Pits are attacking by such large numbers, then I understand peoples' worry about them as a breed. Sure, other dogs attack and are horribly dangerous too. But I do hear about an awful lot of pit attacks...media or not.
I'm sort of on the fence with this, I guess. I don't like breed legislation. Heaven knows...I have a Doberman. And I wouldn't like it even if I didn't have a Doberman.
I guess owners need to pay handsomely for their carelessness. They need their dogs taken away, maybe a ban on them for ever owning another dog again.....if their dog seriously attacks someone....regardless of the breed.
I was bitten seriously by some mixed breed dog, not very big...I think a Lab/terrier type mix. (?)
You clearly are a doggie saviour! 
The first article, posted by Travis_Doggies did not mention ANY witnesses...it also did not mention 2 dogs. So no one was out of line when asking who identified the dog as a pit bull, and not another breed? Obviously according to the next article posted, there were witnesses, but who should apologize for inquiring? no one! And not one time did anyone bash the credibility of the blind women, just ASKED who was the one to see? Moving on...
BTW: I just went back and looked, and you posted the same link after Cassablanca(sp?) did, and after the link to the article was posted BY Casa, No one asked how they knew it was a pitty. Posters commented on the information available at the time of the post... :yikes: The nerve of you posters!!!
It's not a 'fixation' or 'blaming,' it's struggling to identify a problem and solve it. People who are worried about dangerous dogs continue to examine the question of breed and type not because of some ridiculous bias, but because of one fact - a few breeds are disproportionately responsible for dog bites, and severe and fatal dog attacks.
In all the debate about nature/nurture, I've never seen it get so bizarre as in the pit bull debate. A pit bull is not all nurture; it's not just the owner. A terrible owner can't make a good pit bull into a killer. Like any dog, they have individual personalities, and various types of personalities can take different amounts of handling. But the problems with the pit bulls is twofold. One, that these personalities come in a very different package than a Cocker or a St. Bernard. They're a breed or a type that has various physical and mental traits that make for a formidable enemy in an attack. Athletic and strong dogs, they were developed with two characteristics to make them better fighting dogs - a high pain threshhold and a tendency to become so aroused by a fight that they don't 'switch off.' And second, the fact that too many people are deliberately creating bad pits. Where a puppy mill simple doesn't care if its unhealthy, unloved products have sound, family-safe, sane temperaments, the unscrupulous and belligerent who breed pits deliberately select for traits that will make a bad dog - aggression, belligerence, independence, aloofness - things that make a dog 'alpha' and 'a stud' in many people's eyes.
Considering the vast numbers of pit mixes I've seen euphomistically labelled as lab mixes, and the fact that many dogs who have pit blood will not be obvious and therefore escape the designation, I'm inclined to believe it would probably balance out.
In all the debate about nature/nurture, I've never seen it get so bizarre as in the pit bull debate. A pit bull is not all nurture; it's not just the owner. A terrible owner can't make a good pit bull into a killer. Like any dog, they have individual personalities, and various types of personalities can take different amounts of handling. But the problems with the pit bulls is twofold. One, that these personalities come in a very different package than a Cocker or a St. Bernard. They're a breed or a type that has various physical and mental traits that make for a formidable enemy in an attack. Athletic and strong dogs, they were developed with two characteristics to make them better fighting dogs - a high pain threshhold and a tendency to become so aroused by a fight that they don't 'switch off.' And second, the fact that too many people are deliberately creating bad pits. Where a puppy mill simple doesn't care if its unhealthy, unloved products have sound, family-safe, sane temperaments, the unscrupulous and belligerent who breed pits deliberately select for traits that will make a bad dog - aggression, belligerence, independence, aloofness - things that make a dog 'alpha' and 'a stud' in many people's eyes.
Considering the vast numbers of pit mixes I've seen euphomistically labelled as lab mixes, and the fact that many dogs who have pit blood will not be obvious and therefore escape the designation, I'm inclined to believe it would probably balance out.
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To your post I would like to add the fact that many Pit Bull attacks are by multiple dogs. They like to gang up on their victim or victims. The article in my local newspaper a couple of weeks ago mentioned 3 pit bulls all attacking the person and his dog at the same time, taking turns to charge in and bite. Here we have the blind lady fighting of 2 of them and I have read aticle after article where more than one pit bull has attacked someone at the same time. Yes , I know, these stories are probably all made up....
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It was stated several times in this thread that the "dispatcher" probably didn't know anything and someone just guessed at the breed because it didn't point out in the article a witnesses name and address and phone number. This was done by people immediately jumping to the Pit Bulls defence and looking for a scape goat. I am sure that the owner of these 2 Pit Bulls will probably have the same kind of attitude, by the way.
I also mentioned in a follow up post how ridiculous it was to assume that the police would give out that information to the press, when the women that was attacked had already metioned that she feared retribution by the dog's owner. And by the way, I stated in my recent posts quoting the article that I doubted that any of the people that accused the blind women of making up the story, would say they were sorry. Looks like I hit that nail on the head
I also mentioned in a follow up post how ridiculous it was to assume that the police would give out that information to the press, when the women that was attacked had already metioned that she feared retribution by the dog's owner. And by the way, I stated in my recent posts quoting the article that I doubted that any of the people that accused the blind women of making up the story, would say they were sorry. Looks like I hit that nail on the head
It's not the issue that the storied of pit attacks are 'made up'. I'm sure they are true! The point is that the pit attacks get more coverage than other dog attacks simply because they involved pit bulls!
I agree that something needs to be done about human agressive dogs in general and yes more specifically regarding pits since they can cause more damage, etc.. Laws need to keep people who breed/use these dogs for the wrong purposes from doing so.. something needs to be done about the way PEOPLE are handling the breed.. instead of just banning the freaking breed!!
Swimming pools cause quite a few deaths.. should we ban those too?? Or should we educate people in how to successfully use them??? Should the media take time to explain how swimming pools could be dangerous and how to avoid such problems? Or should they simply condemn the idea of owning a pool and condemn anyone who does??
The issue isn't whether or not pits sometimes attack! Of course they do! As do other dogs and even other pets.. though we should never go to he11 with it and BAN everything! We NEED to correct the problems that WE as a human race CREATED! Typical freaking human condition.. "Well we tried to mess with these creatures and it screwed us over.. lets punish the ones we screwed over in the first place.. not take the time to correct what we did wrong and punish those who continue to do so"
ARGH!!!!!
I agree that something needs to be done about human agressive dogs in general and yes more specifically regarding pits since they can cause more damage, etc.. Laws need to keep people who breed/use these dogs for the wrong purposes from doing so.. something needs to be done about the way PEOPLE are handling the breed.. instead of just banning the freaking breed!!
Swimming pools cause quite a few deaths.. should we ban those too?? Or should we educate people in how to successfully use them??? Should the media take time to explain how swimming pools could be dangerous and how to avoid such problems? Or should they simply condemn the idea of owning a pool and condemn anyone who does??
The issue isn't whether or not pits sometimes attack! Of course they do! As do other dogs and even other pets.. though we should never go to he11 with it and BAN everything! We NEED to correct the problems that WE as a human race CREATED! Typical freaking human condition.. "Well we tried to mess with these creatures and it screwed us over.. lets punish the ones we screwed over in the first place.. not take the time to correct what we did wrong and punish those who continue to do so"
ARGH!!!!!
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