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Gustav

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All you guys are too obssesed with perfection..like any of you are perfect anyway!!! I breed them because I like the chihuahua breed not because I want a perfect chihuahua....Yes I have several homes lined up for the new pups and they are all good families that I've know for years....yes they are in good health...no I WONT nueter them....you wanna cut someone's balls off? start with yours!!!!!
We're not obsessed with perfection, we're obsessed with having healthy dogs!!!! We're not saying we're perfect! (Where have we ever clamed to be perfect?!! If you read some more of the threads you'd actually see that 90% of us are really hard on ourselves!!!!!)

I think if you really like the Chihuahua breed you should be obsessed with perfection!! Breeding should only be done for bettering the breed. If you over breed one species the young get weaker and more sickly and have more problems! They get further away from what the original breed was all about, and then you end up with funny little dogs that look nothing like what they are supposed to!!!

To neuter or not to is your choice, but can you guarentee two litters of puppies a year a good home?!! Every year for the next 8? Thats a whole lotta dogs!!!!

And as for the last part of your comment, (which I feel was totally inappropriate) I'm female, so don't have the necissary equipment and Gus lost his years ago!! :p
 

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We're not obsessed with perfection, we're obsessed with having healthy dogs!!!! We're not saying we're perfect! (Where have we ever clamed to be perfect?!! If you read some more of the threads you'd actually see that 90% of us are really hard on ourselves!!!!!)

I think if you really like the Chihuahua breed you should be obsessed with perfection!! Breeding should only be done for bettering the breed. If you over breed one species the young get weaker and more sickly and have more problems! They get further away from what the original breed was all about, and then you end up with funny little dogs that look nothing like what they are supposed to!!!

To neuter or not to is your choice, but can you guarentee two litters of puppies a year a good home?!! Every year for the next 8? Thats a whole lotta dogs!!!!


And you shouldn't be hard on yourself, dogs/owners should be fun and loving

And as for the last part of your comment, (which I feel was totally inappropriate) I'm female, so don't have the necissary equipment and Gus lost his years ago!! :p

I didn't mean to be so harsh but it upsets me to see how much into the Hitler's Ideology some of you are. Hitler had the same mentality (The perfect breed). Dogs are creatures put in this world by God and perfect or not they should continue to exist. I see your point in the next generations to result in weaker and sicker dogs, however, people run the same risk and we still have babies. My dogs don't have anything abnormal or seriously wrong with them to stop them from breeding them. And if in the next generations they turn out funny little dogs then isn't that what they look like now anyway?

I don't have homes lined up for them for the next 8 years but I do have homes for them NOW. We'll worry about the next 8 years in the 8 years


sorry about the balls thing. I just think that is wrong to deprive somebody from that right...It's like abortion to me
 
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Chihuahuas are one of the many breeds that are suffering greatly - as a breed and individually - from gross overbreeding. There are countless Chis out there being abandoned, euthanized, left to suffer from painful debilitating illnesses, dying in whelp, all because too many were thoughtless and bred dogs that had genetic defects that were unapparent to a normal vet exam - and some don't even get that much care if it keeps down costs and increases profits!

That is what we rant and rave against. It's not the search for breed perfection for the sake of having an uber species; it is for the sake of the creatures themselves; their health, their happiness; their chance of having long, wonderful lives with owners who love them.

It's also for the sake of all of those animals dying unwanted and unloved in shelters and on the side of the road everywhere.
 

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i posted this on another thread, another member posted it before me..i hope u do have homes lined up..you will be lucky if you do. i hope you female has no difficulty in her pregnancy, i hope you have had her wormed before breeding, i hope your male never gets testical cancer..it happens more than you know..thinking the way you do..is what causes sites like this to exist and i think it speaks louder than anything i could write..www.http://justonelitter.com/litter.html your dog is small but the expense can still be large. I hope you are prepared to vaccinate, and parvo boost BEFORE your puppies leave you.
 

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All you guys are too obssesed with perfection..like any of you are perfect anyway!!! I breed them because I like the chihuahua breed not because I want a perfect chihuahua....Yes I have several homes lined up for the new pups and they are all good families that I've know for years....yes they are in good health...no I WONT nueter them....you wanna cut someone's balls off? start with yours!!!!!
You sound like a backyard breeder to me whohasent done their homework.

Well if you want to lose your ***** and possibly puppies by breeding her too young thats your own fault for being so dense.

Perfect Dog = Perfect health and could you keep the Hitler comments off here? Not very adult if you as me
 

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I didn't mean to be so harsh but it upsets me to see how much into the Hitler's Ideology some of you are. Hitler had the same mentality (The perfect breed).


And if in the next generations they turn out funny little dogs then isn't that what they look like now anyway?

I don't have homes lined up for them for the next 8 years but I do have homes for them NOW. We'll worry about the next 8 years in the 8 years
Hitler had a very specific Ideology coming from a deep rooted fear of his own short comings, and faliure!! I really don't think that applies to anyone here, and I know you probably don't mean it too, it could cause offence to many people!!

You may love your Chis but i'm afraid it's a sad fact that if you breed often, one of your puppies will go to someone who won't love them! They will either end up abused, neglected, or in a shelter! Do you really wan this to happen?!!

Do you know what the breed standard is for a Chi?! Have you properly reseached breeding, have you thought it through thoroughly? It doesn't sound to me like you have!! I don't think any reputable Chi breeder would like you calling them funny little dogs!!

And I think the most irresponsible thing you could do is to adopt the "I'll worry about it, if and when it happens" attitude!! What will you do if you haven't completely sold a litter of puppies and your dog is pregnant again, and then when she's had that litter and you haven't sold all of them, and she's pregnant again and so on??!! are you going to keep hundredes of dogs?

Please think more carefully about it and Visit the One Litter Link that Smkie posted!!
 

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You guys are hopeless :p I'm just gonna go ahead and do what I think it's best. None of you are professionals anyway, just a bunch of obssesed people with an online hobby. ;)

I've had 3 full life dogs in my life. A Collie when I was born (she died at 13), a Pitbull at 14 (he died last year at 14 years old) and now I have the chihuahuas. I think if I took care of my dogs while I was a kid, a teenager and in my 20s, I can perfectly take care of a couple of dogs in my 30s.

I came here for a single question (regret it by the way) and I got the Canine Inquisition on me. See ya fellas, I'll post pics of the pups if I still remember you then..


And by the way, they did the deed this morning
 
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Actually, there are quite a few professionals who have shared their professional opinions with you. You are obviously nowhere near the mark. I sincerely hope your dog and her puppies - if either survive this grossly premature breeding - don't suffer too much.
 

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yr useless, not a proffessional breeder at all r u then, cos yr not bothered about them dogs, so wat u had dogs all yr life, guess wat so have i and i still wont b breeding them duh
 

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You guys are hopeless :p I'm just gonna go ahead and do what I think it's best. None of you are professionals anyway, just a bunch of obssesed people with an online hobby. ;)

I've had 3 full life dogs in my life. A Collie when I was born (she died at 13), a Pitbull at 14 (he died last year at 14 years old) and now I have the chihuahuas. I think if I took care of my dogs while I was a kid, a teenager and in my 20s, I can perfectly take care of a couple of dogs in my 30s.

I came here for a single question (regret it by the way) and I got the Canine Inquisition on me. See ya fellas, I'll post pics of the pups if I still remember you then..


And by the way, they did the deed this morning
I think a post like this just goes to show how truly ignorant and selfish you are when it comes to breeding your dogs. - Your wants have obviously come first which is just too sad.
 
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This is making me Laugh!

Yesterday I just picked up my dogs brother from the airport to live with us. He is 2 years old and my dog Rio is 4 years old. Nicholas the new one started right away trying to do you know what with his older brother then this went on for hours and I kept tell them stop. I even called the vet. They told me to fill a can with pennies everytime they do it shake the can and say no. Well so far it has worked. Plus I think they did determine the alpha roll real quick. The new dog is very passive and my Rio is a guy who doesnt stand for much. So hence so far problems seems ok. New guy is notfixed yet but he will be in a few weeks. Waiting for him to get adjusted to new home. Didnt want to plop him off a plane and then go wham. Thats not a good welcome to NY type attitude. That why I laugh cause I read this and this was my problem yesterday.
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Man, AFO reminds me of somebody off of globalpaw. She had a boy and girl Chi and wanted to breed them. They weren't health tested and they were both young. I think she eventually studded out the male to a BYB and she showed a picture of the mom with the pups. The mom looked like a Rat Terrier, but she was supposed to be a Chi 'worthy of breeding'.
People like this make me soooooo mad. :mad: Why ask for help when you won't take any advice at all? People that ask, "I want to breed my two Labradors because they are both pretty. What is the best way to do this?" And then everyone tells them that they are breeding for the wrong reasons, etc. and then they just say, "Well, thanx anyway, but I'm going to whether you like it or not." just tick me OFF! If they don't hear what they want to hear, they throw a fit. Ugh.

And, BTW, just because you are capable of owning a dog doesn't mean you are capable of breeding it. Those are two completly different things. I have no problem taking care of my dogs (and I'm 14). The only think I don't do for them is pay for food and vet bills. I pay for the special treats and toys, I give them the baths, I exercise them, I give them attention, etc. (My family helps, but I'm the main one.) Do I think I'm capable of breeding a dog? Heck no. When I get older, I would LOVE to get involved in a breed, start going to dog shows, help some handlers, learn the breed standard by heart, and then when I get even older, maybe even get a show quality dog and start showing and breeding. But in the meantime, even though I can own a dog, I am NOT capable of breeding dogs.
 
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Man, AFO reminds me of somebody off of globalpaw. She had a boy and girl Chi and wanted to breed them. They weren't health tested and they were both young. I think she eventually studded out the male to a BYB and she showed a picture of the mom with the pups. The mom looked like a Rat Terrier, but she was supposed to be a Chi 'worthy of breeding'.
People like this make me soooooo mad. :mad: Why ask for help when you won't take any advice at all? People that ask, "I want to breed my two Labradors because they are both pretty. What is the best way to do this?" And then everyone tells them that they are breeding for the wrong reasons, etc. and then they just say, "Well, thanx anyway, but I'm going to whether you like it or not." just tick me OFF! If they don't hear what they want to hear, they throw a fit. Ugh.
She does. That dog doesn't look like a Chi at all--you're right. All I had to say there was to spay and neuter. I sadly was not feeling any joy for her.
 
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She does. That dog doesn't look like a Chi at all--you're right. All I had to say there was to spay and neuter. I sadly was not feeling any joy for her.
Yep, same here. One more litter of pups put into this world of misery. :( Hopefully, the pups will find good homes, but if not.....peace be with them through all of this pain that humans put them through by irresponsible breeding. :(
 

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Well, the only thing that I see that's wrong with breeding is unhealthy dogs. So if you plan to breed just make sure your dog is healthy before doing that. How would you like it if you bought a dog that has lots of problems. What are you doing to do with that dog in the long run? Put it down? Give it away? This is the reason why you shouldn't breed unhealthy dogs.
 
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Yep, same here. One more litter of pups put into this world of misery. :( Hopefully, the pups will find good homes, but if not.....peace be with them through all of this pain that humans put them through by irresponsible breeding. :(
Exactly. I find it sad that she says, "I want to breed my dog and I won't turn into a puppymill." Well, she's turned into a BYB, IMO. But I wish the puppies goodluck and hope they're spayed and neutered.
 
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Well, the only thing that I see that's wrong with breeding is unhealthy dogs. So if you plan to breed just make sure your dog is healthy before doing that. How would you like it if you bought a dog that has lots of problems. What are you doing to do with that dog in the long run? Put it down? Give it away? This is the reason why you shouldn't breed unhealthy dogs.
But also, irresponsible breeders often place their dogs irresponsibly too. So picture this:
A family wants a Basset Hound puppy because they saw a comercial with one in it and it was just sooooo cute! They look at an ad in the newspaper that says, "AKC Basset Hound puppies! Rare colors! Adorable little dogs that come pre-spoiled! Shots and wormed. Parents on sight." They say, "Oh, how cute!! And look, the breeder is only 15mins. away! Let's go!"
They get to the breeders house and they ask to see the puppies. The breeder says, "Right this way!" and takes them in his house into a sideroom. In the room are 5 rolly-polly puppies. They look and act healthy. The family asks, "Can we see the mom and dad?" The breeder says, "Of course!" and brings in two beautiful Bassets. These dogs look and act healthy too. The breeder says, "Before we bred them, we had our vet check them over. He couldn't find anything wrong with them." They ask how old they are. "The male is 3 and the female is 1 1/2. They are both really friendly and are just really good dogs."
They family ends up buying a lovely black&tan female. They take her home and for a couple of weeks they enjoy her. Then, after a while, she still isn't housebroken. She bays and howels and keeps counter surfing. When they let her into the yard, she always takes off running after the neighbor's cat. The Mom is about ready to throw a fit because her house has dog hair all over it, and "That dog smells and I have drool all over my best dress!"
They finally take her to the Shelter. They say, "Oh, she'll find a good home." A week later, she is put to sleep.

Off of petfinder.com somebody was trying to find statistics on the pet overpopulation. They gathered that every nine seconeds, an animal is PTS. For there to be no more pets in animal shelters, every single person (old or young) in America would have to own 9 cats and 4 dogs. So for a family of 4 that would be 16 dogs and 36 cats. They also found out that the BYBs are the cause for about 62% of all animals in the shelters.
So do us all a favor folks. If you don't have the time to breed responsibly, spay and nueter your pets.
 
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A quick walk through a shelter - especially when they're taking the doomed ones back to be euthanized - is a quick education on why it's not fine to breed just because the animals are healthy!
 

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