Documentary - BBC - Pedigree Dogs Exposed

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  1. dr2little

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    I'm only eight minutes in . . . I want to cry seeing those poor German shepherds hobbling around the ring. What can people be thinking, breeding dogs like that? Don't they see what they're doing to them?
     
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    Pretty horrible. I'm studying Canine Eugenics right now and it's interesting and disgusting at the same time.

    We all know the obvious breeds for which the breed standard has called for horrible, quality of life deminishing deformaties but there are so many others that people are just completely unaware of.

    Humans....we're an awfully selfish species.:mad:
     
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    a requirement to prove performance before competing in adult classes would go A LONG way toward educating breeders and reducing health issues.

    also don't forget the people who underwrite "shows" like this have an agenda which includes the elimination of ALL pet ownership (can you say ingrid newkirk & petaphiles).
     
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    It is very sad. I prefer a natural dog anyway.
    Some of those poor dogs suffering on there really hurt me to watch!
     
  6. dr2little

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    I completely agree, everyone has an agenda but there are some undeniable's in here and certainly the more I delve into genetics in class, the worse the reality of it looks.
     
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    I am a little ways in, and have tp say.... I know little about GSD but... the film of them in the ring, the way they move:yikes: Give me a working line dog any day!! The boxer broke my heart as well.... thats all so far, back to watching!!

    OMG.... They seriously put Ridgebacks to sleep rather than petting them just for no ridge?? I want to cry, when I was breeding JRTs I did have a few born with non correct color, or a bad bite etc. I found them loving pet homes! The idea of putting them to sleep never crossed my mind! Good for the vets who stand up and say they will not put a healthy puppy to sleep!
     
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    I know nothing about Cavaliers..... but breeding 26 litters after being diagnosed with a genetic disease:yikes:
     
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    I've had 3 clients with Cavaliers in just the last year, all with severe "OCD" issues that were completely non-responsive to behavior modification plans (not surprising). Most Vets. don't even know how to deal with this issue as they don't know the actual cause. 2 of the 3 ended up on meds which didn't work and were finally euthanized, the last one I'm sure will end up the same way.

    Yes, the Ridgeback issue burns my backside too...
     
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    well you got me all teary and i have just started it. I knew but seeing it is a different story. Do you think we (humanity) will ever learn?:(
     
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    Sorry smkie.:(
    At the Pat Hastings seminar, we covered some of the structural stuff (GSD's:() like is shown on this show, it really is hard to watch but important information for all of us to have.
     
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    Oh boy. I'm only a few minutes in, but I'm already emotional. I'll have to finish it later tonight. Its.... sad. :(
     
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    THE kennel i grew up in was field work. Only the dog's work in the field and his temperment was the consideration. Trial records were poured over and heavy debate went round. I am glad i only experienced this kind of breeding, it lacks the shame. WE never had these kind of problems, and the dogs that i know of lived to a good old age as my Mary which is only part. I can only hope that people will see the error and begin to look more closely at what they are doing. IT is always the innocent that suffers the most.

    I will never understand why we (humanity) feel we have the right to make everything suit us, why we can't love it as it is. THose german shepards that slope like that have always broken my heart, i never understood how they would be able to do what a dog does best. Guess they really cant. Now labs are so heavy they don't even look like labs to me anymore. HOpefully we are ina the worst of it and breeders will see and correct. FIngers crossed with all my heart. THanks for spreading the word.
     
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    Honestly where I come from(as far as hounds go at least) The guys who hunt, breed more ethically than many who'd judge them for their ways... 99% of the hounds in my hometown are bred much like this:

    Bobs dog is gettin older and he wants a pup to train off his elder who bays nice and loud, a tad slow though. Franks dog is a bit fast, maybe too fast and he was looking for a pup for his son... These two are bred and word gets out, anyone looking for a working hound gets ahold of Bob and voila a handful of new hounds go to work and maybe a pet or two....

    I do admit they do not health test, often don't even keep good records but many of those hounds live a long healthy life doing what they love... My hubby's girl Daisy lived to be 19! He had been given her as a 9 year old and she lived to see our kids born and play with them!
     
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    All I can say is " WOW"!!!! I've felt that way for so long , but to see it actually spelled out is fasinating ! I know that the Golden sure has changed over my 50 years of involvement !! Sad,sad, sad !
     
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    I got to here the debates at field trials about who's breeding was right, who was being an arrogant a$$ and knew nothing. THis really brings all that back.
    Grammy i agree.
     
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    can we stickie this?
     
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    smkie pointer/labrador/terrier Staff Member

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    I Love the floors! Tis all beautiful.

    I have lots of terrain and dog questions maybe you can tell me when your all settled down.
     
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    This was discussed in another thread awhile back, and a very valid point was brought up.

    Before we condemn the entire show world, I think it's important to remember that the people on this documentary don't represent ALL the show breeders out there. Those who breed a dog with known congenital health issues for the sake of a title are, from what I understand, not common.

    This documentary was a highlight of some of the problems that can be found with pedigree dogs and showing. But that doesn't mean that dog shows are bad. Dog shows and registries also do a lot of good.
     
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    I completely agree Gemp, this is not representative of an entire community but absolutely does occur more than the average dog owner or even ethical breeder knows.
     

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