Doberman or Rottweiler

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Correct. Even the best bred dog can turn 'mean' if not treated and raised properly.

Ash, you're going to have to keep us updated! :D I'm looking at getting a Rott myself in the next couple of years here as well.
 

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memyselfandmiah said:
Why are you going to go to a breeder when you can get a teenager or adult dog from the pound, and saves its life? Dont get me wrong, there is something to be said for getting a dog with a know background, but i think that it is also important to save a life, if it is possiable. at the local pound here, there are 2 adult rotties put up for adoption, because the owners had to move to an apartment, and they were not allowed. they were very even tempered. played well with kids, were TRAINED!! yada yada yada...Just something to think about. in the long run may save you a lot of money, and some heart ache as well.

just my $.02
I would prefer to raise my Rott from puppydom and know his/her background. Dog fighting is a problem around here and I don't want mine to have come from a home like that unbeknownst to me, because I plan on having children and my Chihuahua, plus my cat. I will need a very stable temper dog that I can know what to expect from.
I am sure that there are people that have adopted a shelter Rott and it turned out great, but I just want to be %110 sure that the dog I have will be an even temper dog.
Why would it save me heartache?
 

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Both breeds are very similar and were bred for pretty much similar reasons and equally give as much love as the next dog, but dobermans are very much more involved with their owners type of breeds as they are known as "velcro dogs" and they thrive on please and being with their owners.

It's juts a matter of preference really, again if it's your first as you've probably been told that females are a good choice unless you have experience in dominant breeds that will test your authorities (male dogs more so than female).

What ever you choose im sure it will be the right choice, just do plenty of revision beforehand ;) :)
 
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Ash47 said:
I would prefer to raise my Rott from puppydom and know his/her background. Dog fighting is a problem around here and I don't want mine to have come from a home like that unbeknownst to me, because I plan on having children and my Chihuahua, plus my cat. I will need a very stable temper dog that I can know what to expect from.
I am sure that there are people that have adopted a shelter Rott and it turned out great, but I just want to be %110 sure that the dog I have will be an even temper dog.
Why would it save me heartache?

I guess that i was being presumptious with that (actually i think that i was trying to multitask, and talking and typing got kinda mixed) I dont have any idea why i said heartache, but whatever it was, i am sure that there was a good reason behind it.
 

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IDog fighting is a problem around here and I don't want mine to have come from a home like that unbeknownst to me,
Dog fighting should't be a problem for Rotts, you might have people breeding lots for Human aggressive dogs but not for dog fighting. I am sure some people have tried to use Rotts for Fighting other dogs but it should be fairly rare from what I understand. If you are buying an Amstaff or Pit then you really have to worry about that.
 

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memyselfandmiah, you will find that this is a VERY pro-rescue forum. So for the most part if an established member mentions they are looking into a breeder dog, there is usually a very good reason behind the decision.
 
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snowdogs said:
Both breeds are very similar and were bred for pretty much similar reasons and equally give as much love as the next dog, but dobermans are very much more involved with their owners type of breeds as they are known as "velcro dogs" and they thrive on please and being with their owners.

It's juts a matter of preference really, again if it's your first as you've probably been told that females are a good choice unless you have experience in dominant breeds that will test your authorities (male dogs more so than female).

What ever you choose im sure it will be the right choice, just do plenty of revision beforehand ;) :)
Sorry, but I just have to say that the two breeds were not bred for similar reasons. The dobe was bred and created to protect man. That was its sole purpose. The rottie was bred and created for herding and guarding property. But when the dobe was being created, rottie blood was used. That is where the dobes markigs came from. Rotties are an older breed. Just thought I would share some history:)
 

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Dog fighting should't be a problem for Rotts, you might have people breeding lots for Human aggressive dogs but not for dog fighting. I am sure some people have tried to use Rotts for Fighting other dogs but it should be fairly rare from what I understand. If you are buying an Amstaff or Pit then you really have to worry about that.

Yeah, Rotts are not very good vs. other dogs, they are very rarely used as dog fighting dogs... Mostly for human aggression.
 
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Yeah, Rotts are not very good vs. other dogs, they are very rarely used as dog fighting dogs... Mostly for human aggression.
I have known people to use rotties in dog fighting. just because they are not used in dog fighting, doesnt mean that they are not good vs. other dogs. dogos and bull terriers were created for dog fighting, but they pretty much are never used.
 
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I personaly think that both breeds are very similar. I prefer rotties, because I just like the way they look, but they do shed more. I had a rottie/dobe mix and she was great with kids, cats (as long as they didnt run), other dogs, and people. She was pretty hyper and she became destructive a few times. As long as you socialize at a young age, they are great family dogs. My dog protected my home and myself. I dont know about dobes, but rotties tend to be a one person dog.
Not in my experience.

Rottweilers may prefer a certain person, but my dogs love my husband very much, and look forward to visitors as well.

In my personal experience, most Rottweilers also adapt quickly to new owners and homes, even if they are older dogs.

In the US, by and large you get more guardy and defensive behavior with Rottweilers than you do Dobes.

Rottweilers are also substantially heavier at adult weight than Dobes.
 
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memyselfandmiah said:
Why are you going to go to a breeder when you can get a teenager or adult dog from the pound, and saves its life? Dont get me wrong, there is something to be said for getting a dog with a know background, but i think that it is also important to save a life, if it is possiable. at the local pound here, there are 2 adult rotties put up for adoption, because the owners had to move to an apartment, and they were not allowed. they were very even tempered. played well with kids, were TRAINED!! yada yada yada...Just something to think about. in the long run may save you a lot of money, and some heart ache as well.

just my $.02
Some people prefer to buy a dog with a documented background of health, temperament, working ability, etc.

People should not be made to feel guilty because they would like to buy a puppy from a responsible breeder. Should the 2 dogs you speak of come from a responsible breeder, they would not be up for adoption at a shelter. They would have gone back to their breeder.

Rescue is a wonderful thing, and I would hold it out as an option for anyone consulting me about a dog, however, to insinuate that buying from a breeder means not "saving a life" is quite presumptive and rude, IMO.
 
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snowdogs said:
Both breeds are very similar and were bred for pretty much similar reasons and equally give as much love as the next dog, but dobermans are very much more involved with their owners type of breeds as they are known as "velcro dogs" and they thrive on please and being with their owners.

It's juts a matter of preference really, again if it's your first as you've probably been told that females are a good choice unless you have experience in dominant breeds that will test your authorities (male dogs more so than female).

What ever you choose im sure it will be the right choice, just do plenty of revision beforehand ;) :)
You've done a very good job of describing my personal experience with Rottweilers above.

Never had a single one that did not follow me from room to room. Never had a one that would willingly be separated from me if being with me was possible.

The Rottweilers I've had over almost 20 years could not possibly have been more owner involved.
 
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RedyreRottweilers said:
Not in my experience.

Rottweilers may prefer a certain person, but my dogs love my husband very much, and look forward to visitors as well.

In my personal experience, most Rottweilers also adapt quickly to new owners and homes, even if they are older dogs.

In the US, by and large you get more guardy and defensive behavior with Rottweilers than you do Dobes.

Rottweilers are also substantially heavier at adult weight than Dobes.
I meant that rotties tend to prefer one person. They do love their whole family, but they tend to follow one person around. They usualy get clingy to one person.
 

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Redy... I agree with you as far as going into rescue rather than the shelters or HSs. Most dogs in rescue are loving dogs from loving families who have had to give up their dogs for some reason or another. Unless you have a good HS who know what they're doing before putting dogs up for adoption ( e.g. agreesion tests etc ) you never know what you're getting.
 

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Amstaffer said:
Dog fighting should't be a problem for Rotts, you might have people breeding lots for Human aggressive dogs but not for dog fighting. I am sure some people have tried to use Rotts for Fighting other dogs but it should be fairly rare from what I understand. If you are buying an Amstaff or Pit then you really have to worry about that.
Ok. See, I didn't know that. I guess I thought since they are bred for human aggression that they were also bred for dog aggression. My assumption. That's the reason I am going to research and research before I actually even contact a breeder.

RedyreRottweilers said:
Some people prefer to buy a dog with a documented background of health, temperament, working ability, etc.

People should not be made to feel guilty because they would like to buy a puppy from a responsible breeder. Should the 2 dogs you speak of come from a responsible breeder, they would not be up for adoption at a shelter. They would have gone back to their breeder.
Exactly what I was thinking. Rescue is great and like Grammy said, most of the dogs in rescue are from wonderful homes, being mixes and all. Love the mixes, have two of my own. But, a responsible breeder would be sure that the dog they brought into this world was returned to them and not turned over to a shelter.
 

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I have known people to use rotties in dog fighting. just because they are not used in dog fighting, doesnt mean that they are not good vs. other dogs. dogos and bull terriers were created for dog fighting, but they pretty much are never used.
Why would they, a 30 to 50lb pit bull would tear it apart? The difference between pit bulls and nearly every other breed is that pit bulls actually like to fight. I do mean like in the enjoy sense of the word. Most often they don't make a sound and just go at it in a clinical manner; tails are wagging the whole time. I don't condone it so don't start yelling at me. It's just the facts.
 

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Rotts are only average fighters, no one in their right mind would use a Rott over Pit in a dog fight. Kinda good for Rotts because that means they are not used for this sport.
 

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