do boxers come in black?

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  1. -bogart-

    -bogart- Member of WHODAT Nation.

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    i was looking at some boxer breeders , just to look and found some with blak boxers. i went to check the standard and it mentions nothing about black specifically .

    so does black boxers = BYB or is it somhow ressive coming out?
     
  2. Absence of any brindling on a dog that appears to be black is a disqualification.

     
  3. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Nope.

    But there is reverse brindle which can look very very dark - almost black.
     
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    I've run into a few black boxers but it's not an encouraged color. Could be a crop-out, could be a color breeder, could just be a very dark reverse brindle. There is some breeder around here putting them out, because they're becoming a lot more common at the dog park.
     
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    If you see a black boxer it's either dark reverse brindle or a cross breed - can't get black boxers - genetically impossible as far as I know.

    Unless someone knows something I don't :p

    Which is likely.
     
  6. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Aha - I knew I wasn't making it up!

     
  7. You can bet on one thing. If it is mentioned in the breed standard, it DOES HAPPEN.

    Labrador Retriever:

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    The Labrador Retriever coat colors are black, yellow and chocolate. Any other color or a combination of colors is a disqualification. A small white spot on the chest is permissible, but not desirable. White hairs from aging or scarring are not to be misinterpreted as brindling. Black--Blacks are all black. A black with brindle markings or a black with tan markings is a disqualification. Yellow--Yellows may range in color from fox-red to light cream, with variations in shading on the ears, back, and underparts of the dog. Chocolate--Chocolates can vary in shade from light to dark chocolate. Chocolate with brindle or tan markings is a disqualification.
     
  8. -bogart-

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    i read those quotes on other sites and thought it was impossible to get black like the pictures i was seeing also. but wanted to come here and ask anyway because chazzers know exerything and ya'll rock!

    so nope no black ones in my way far away future!

    i so wish people aould do the right thing and not be dictated by there pocket books.
     
  9. Dizzy

    Dizzy Sit! Good dog.

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    Ok. Still as far as I am aware it is genetically impossible to get a black boxer :D

    I don't know about labs.
     
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    Our neighbors have a boston terrier who I thought was black, until I was petting her and noticed she has some microscopic brindling on her inner legs. I would have never seen it if she hadn't gone belly up for me to pet her, so it's possible the dogs you are seeing are very dark brindles.
     
  11. Vintage Boxers

    Vintage Boxers Boxer Buddy

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    Black is genetically impossible in boxers. They are either heavy brindle (reverse brindle..and some people called sealed brindle, which is not a correct term either) or they are mutts.

    So called black boxer breeders have started breeding the Heavily brindled boxers to other Heavily brindled boxers getting solid brindles....which look black to the average eye, or even that they are so heavily brindled that you can't tell unless in the sunlight....

    But no, black boxers are NOT possible.

    (and those breeders that use the frau stockman book and such haven't read or comprehended it either....)
     
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    Vintage Boxers Boxer Buddy

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    That site itself admits they are sealed brindle litters...lol...niiiicce

    AKC CH....where....i don't see any of their dogs being shown..sigh

    Yeah i would recommend finding a BETTER breeder....sigh...

    NOT black boxers....this is their statement on their site

    We breed him with champion fawn and brindle females in an effort to achieve the best quality Black Boxer.

    A fawn and brindle produce FAWN AND BRINDLE and sometimes WHITE...not BLACK...oy...

    SIGH

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    That site is a great example of someone NOT understanding the fine points of their own breed stnadard. Those dogs are not 'champion quality'. They've got topline faults and poor angulation and I'm not even getting into heads, since I know NOTHING about boxer heads. :p That pretty arch of neck that I like aobut really good boxers is totally absent, too!

    No one with decent girls would be willing to use that boy as a stud dog!
     
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    Holy cow. How can someone have their litter graded and priced when they still all look like gerbils?
     
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    Reminds me of the time I met a Berner "breeder" at an Eye Cert. last year. He brought his 13 month old BI-COLOR (yup, that's right - black & white) male Berner pup for certification. He told me he was one of three breeders in the U.S. who breeds extremely rare, Bi-Colored Berners. He said they are very popular overseas. ??????????????????????????????
     
  17. Vintage Boxers

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    I can't say they have their litter graded...lmfao...my guess is they just look at color and markings and say oh yes, here is how much we will ask for THIS one...sigh


    OY....very "sad" looking boxers

    S
     
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    There's some things you CAN tell at birth. For example, if you're in a breed with specified markings, you can probably rule out some pups at birth due to having too much (or not enough) white- so you KNOW those will go to pet (or possibly performance homes, but that needs to wait based on temperament.)
     
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    "black" boxers are all the rage around here at the moment. in fact, the woman i know with one who suffered from generalized demodex and yet still bred her because she wanted to make more omg rare! black boxer$ caused me to feel a lot of rage....
     

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