DJD Rated Dogs

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  1. MelissaCato

    MelissaCato ĜȫƝ ₩īĿÐ

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    Related to this thread Here the question regarding elbow & hip dysplasia being either primary or secondary and the choice of breeding DJD Rated dogs, I would like to know more..... not from phenotype verses genotype or medicine either for that matter, I would like know why "reputable" breeders choose to breed DJD Rated dogs radiologically or why they don't ? What are the Pro's and Con's ?
    What are your predominants in primary verses secondary ?

    Actually I have a final Composition due in 2 weeks. In light of Dani's thread title and known breeders I know from browsing forums, I would like a personal views of why or why not on this issue for my final grade ?

    No fight is intended here, I would like to fraction the ideas of medicine, phenotypes, genotypes and reputable knowledge of the public concerning this disease and breeding dogs. :D Thanks in advance.


     
  2. So let me get this straight.

    You are going to use information you gather from anonymous posters on an internet forum for your "final" composition?

    This subject has been well discussed here and on other forums. Try a search.
     
  3. Please define, in terms a lay person can understand, exactly what you mean by
     
  4. Can you also please explain what this means?
     
  5. what is radiologically?
     
  6. Zoom

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    Don't bother Red, Personality #5 went digging through some vet websites again and you're only asking to have more non-credited information copy/pasted.
     
  7. And since your question is directed at me and my choice to breed my bitch, who is DJD1 unilateral left, to a dog who is DJD1 unilateral right, I will answer.

    I do not consider unilateral DJD1 a hereditary issue in Rottweilers. My bitch was screened to have normal elbows at OVC.

    I made this decision because both dogs are completely sound and he suited my bitch very well.

    If you have any more questions of me, please be direct.
     
  8. RD

    RD Are you dead yet?

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    For someone trying to talk smart, you're managing to sound awfully stupid. I'd like some clarification to your grammar and word choices, too, because your post makes no sense to me.

    You know quite well that this is a subject that has been hashed and re-hashed on this forum. Go do a search and you'll get all the information you need.
     
  9. Zoom

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    Do these posts ever remind anyone else of someone playing Mad Libs? ;)
     
  10. BRTLover

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    I am still learning here and started my own thread for the samething. Too learn!

    Does unilateral not mean environmental? Meaning injury caused?

    I think in the other thread I was perhaps confusing this with genetics! Not sure still trying to get it all straight in my own head because I need to know all about this stuff!
     
  11. Many are of the opinion that DJD Gr 1 in Rottweilers can and is the result of normal wear and tear in the joints of active athletic dogs.

    This ONLY includes DJD1 dogs, esp. those who are unilateral. IMO any dog with UAP, FCP, or OCD confirmed by radiograph in the elbow should not be used for breeding.
     
  12. Beanie

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    Unilateral means "one sided." Based on that definition, and the fact that Red said Penny is unilateral left and the sire was unilateral left, I'm going to make an educated guess and say that unilateral means neither environmental, injury caused, or genetic... it simply means "on one side." Penny is unilateral ONLY on her left; the sire unilateral ONLY on the right.
     
  13. BRTLover

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    So if a dog has one bad hip; is that dog still considered breeding quality?

    Considered Healthy?

    Or does it depend on how bad the rating for the one hip and the hips in the pedigree behind the dog?

    I am not asking about a particular dog; I mean in general!
     
  14. OutlineACDs

    OutlineACDs Crazy Dog!

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    The elbows are done individually. As in, they grade the right and left elbow separately. Hips are done together. If the dog had one hip out of socket and the other was fine it would still be graded as dysplastic.

    They do not grade based on the dogs pedigree either. A dog is graded only by the x-ray that was sent in, not on health, medical history, nor pedigree.

    There is lots of good info on OFA's website.
    Hip Specific Link
    Elbow Specific Link
     
  15. Zoom

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    The pedigree is helpful for determining what is behind your dog...say your dog is cleared Good, but has Fair to Poor heavily scattered throughout his pedigree. I personally probably would not breed that dog, unless I found a match that was just as heavy on the Good to Excellent gradings in her pedigree. Many people say that you are not really breeding "that" dog, you are breeding what's behind it. So even though your dog might have good hips, he could still throw dysplastic pups because of the high prevalence behind him. At least that's how I've come to understand it, but I am by far NOT a breeder; this is simply my opinion/understanding.
     
  16. Dekka

    Dekka Just try me..

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    Zoom whether or not you are a breeder..that is exactly true, thats how the genetics seem to work. I believe these issues are caused/influenced by more than one gene (polygenetic)
     
  17. BRTLover

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    Thank you
    This meant the most and I really understand what is being said in this post.

    Sometimes I have a hard time understanding because English is not my first language and if not for the grammer/spell checker likely no one would be able to read my posts.

    I appreciate the time you have taken to educate me and help me understand and learn!
     

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