Different views very interesting! Dog fights

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  1. MomOf7

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    I am a member of another forum for duck hunters and they have a section for gun dogs. I have read some very interesting threads there.
    Whats even more interesting is how the views vary from forum to forum
    If you have a minute check this thread out and let me know what you think!
    http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/showthread.php?t=464285
     
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    very interesting indeed. thanks for posting it.
     
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    Wow...it sounds like they're all having a terrible time. That's wild! Interesting though.
     
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    This is probably one of the more interesting things I've read in a while. Thanks for sharing!

    Anyone want to start a discussion about it? Or at least clear up with NR, 49day and a couple of those other abbreviations mean?
     
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    I can tell you that stuwest is one of the most knowledgable people on the forum. I dont always agree with everything he posts but I sure have learned alot from him. Great guy!
    Im not all together sure what all the abbreviations are but I will share the ones I do know that you will see
    49th day is regarding a training method. Im not clear as to this particular method as I dont use Wolters training as a guide. I have combined many methods so that I have alot of ammo(knowledge of different ways) when I need it
    WW is some type of club or test for pointing retrievers since none of my dogs point except for one I dont do the pointing tests.
    FT is field trial

    What I find interesting is the varied views most are the same thing just worded different, and how those views are so different from many I see here. Not good or bad in anyway. I find it intriguing and it makes me think.
     
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    I find it interesting because I deal with a 50+ dog pack every day that has constantly rotating members, though some that come almost every day of the week and have never had problems like they have occur in only groups of 6-8. Granted, everyone is speutered that is in daycare, so maybe that has something to do with it, but most of our fights occur over toys and are easily broken up with a squirt from the hose and some body blocking. Worst thing I had to deal with was a slighty crazy St. Bernard that sudden went DA one day.
     
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    What I really appreciated was this post...He has years and years of knowledge.
     
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    I liked that one as well. I don't know, I've just never had to deal with many intact dogs in a group setting (once they hit 6 months old anyway) and all the intact dogs at the park are all pretty laid back.

    I know I had more to say, but I went to eat dinner and forgot. :rolleyes:

    EDIT: Now I remember...it was the part about the neutering/Omega status. I'm guessing this only holds true for a dog that is part of an otherwise all intact group? Or else do the heirarchies re-shift and all the Omegas then have a secondary status as "Alpha-Omega" "Beta-Omega" all the way back to "Omega-Omega", which are the most picked upon dogs on the planet. But I've also seen many a neutered dog "bristle up" for a fight with an intact dog.
     
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    Yes very interesting indeed. Almost sounds like a different language when reading their posts. Lol I belonged to a bird dog forum too, but havent posted in at least a year.... Just not enough time for two. :)

    Oh, I thought the 49th thing means that pups go to homes at seven weeks or 49 days. Because the one guy was talking about the best dog he got at 12 weeks..... and there was no 49th rule... like in the states or something. Not sure though. If it doesn't mean that I am interested to what it is too.
     
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    So are we all "off" in recommending 8 weeks/60 days...should puppies be kept until 10+ weeks?
     
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    I think alot of breeders of hunting dogs let their pups go to new homes at seven weeks. Which would be the 49th day. The breeder of Shiloh even mentioned 49th day. Heck I don't know I was really just asking a question.:)

    My dog Charlie stayed with his mother until 12 weeks.....from a byb at that. The "breeder" told me that the whole litter died except for one male and he was big. He said he was tired of fooling with breeding the darn things. He said he already had homes lined up for the parents of Charlie :rolleyes: probably more byb's. But anyway he told hubby to come get him if we wanted him. He had even registered the litter...... I guess before they all started dying off. I got Charlie Jan 1, 03 so I figure they either froze to death or got layed on in the dog box. :rolleyes:

    But yes I think 10-12 weeks makes a much better dog anyway. You can tell he respects other dogs alot, and never tries to take away toys, or get in their food. He turned out to be a great dog........ He was so scared when we got him....He had never been out of the kennel.... it also had a wood floor and was filthy. He was afraid to come out... but he learned very quickly and socialization was never a problem. I think a pup that has to eat besides his mother will quickly learn not to invade space. Anyway sorry for OT rambling.

    Julie.
     
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    You are correct. the 49th day I couldnt remember what it meant exactly but I did remember it was in a book by Wolters I dont use much of Wolters training methods nor have I read this particular book they are referring too.
    I believe you can have a well rounded pup at 8 weeks if proper socialization and realistic atmosphere is provided. Example, introductions to different terrane, puppy pen/box moved to several areas of the home, introductions to other dogs, new people, different noises ect. If these things are provided you have really outgoing pups who arent afraid of new things and have a over all good temperment. Alot of hands on work should be done with every litter.
    Takes alot of time and effort but the end result is great pups. I find that the longer they stay with thier littermates the more bonded to thier siblings they become. So if I have a pup or two waiting to go home I will seperate them and only allow a limited amount of time with thier siblings.

    I havent had to many knock down fights here. Actually never had one. If there is a problem its short lived and everyone is ok. I have only had to break up one fight between my females. It really was more of a growling match but I didnt like the look of where it was headed.
     
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    I have the same problem with my hyena! He's always getting into it with the other pets in the neighborhood, especially the baboons! ;)

    Of course, a good muzzle makes ALL the difference!

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    OMG! :yikes: ROFLOL!!!!!

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    Yeah, I always make sure to muzzle my hyena when it take it out too... :lol-sign:
     
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    :(

    I don't see the humor. The one with the muzzle looks very submissive--I wonder if its because the owner/poacher/handler is carrying a STICK?!
     
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    Hyena submissive?

    I don't think I could ever label a hyena as submissive :eek: Those things would probably rip you to pieces if at anytime they felt neccessary!!

    Is it true that people keep them as pets?!?!?!?!
     
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    I see the humor, but then again....I make humor from just about anything. I'm kind of warped that way. Here we are having an intellectual discussion about dogs and all the ins and outs about their behavior and as I scroll down the page, this picture smacks me in the face. It just struck me funny. It's like....ok...so where did the dogs go?
     
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    I saw a show on Animal Planet about people that were raising hyenas for some wildlife project to help the species. They had this one little guy since he was a baby and he was so similar to a dog it was amazing. He'd run and wrestle with his handler and snuggle with him. It was adorable. Unfortunetly he passed on from an illness, but there were other babies there that were almost equally as friendly. When they were grown the handlers could interact with them just fine.

    When raised in captivity by professionals I don't think they are aggressive in a 'rip you to shreds' way. Wild yes. Pets? Not a chance.

    I don't like that picture at all. Makes me sad every time I see it.
     
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    I didn't know people used these for pets. I thought it was some weird, staged thing for a picture. I didn't think it was a real thing. That is awful to use those wild animals for pets. Uggggg.
     

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