Differences in Bouvier des flandres and black russian terrier?

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  1. Sapphire-Light

    Sapphire-Light woof!

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    What's the Differences in Bouvier des flandres and black russian terrier? :confused:

    They look a like, but the hair in the bouvier looks thicker and more harsh than the russian.
     
  2. corgipower

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    Yikes, I'm not really familiar enough with the two breeds to give a good answer. But the two are more different than they are alike. The BRT originated as a Russian Military dog, the bouvier originated as a cattle dog and general farm dog. They are both used in protection. I think the BRT's coat is more wiry than the bouv.

    The BRT is also more square ~ there's a little bit of a roundness to the angles of a bouv. I find it harder to distinguish between a BRT and a giant schnauzer ~ I had just learned how to tell them apart when I stopped seeing BRT's *sigh*.

    BRT's are more aloof than bouv's, and of course the bouv has the "bouvier bounce" :D *sigh*, someday I will own a bouvier.
     
  3. DanL

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    I'm not familiar with the BRT but I was told we had a couple come down to the working dog club before I joined and they washed out. Apparently they are suffering the same issues many working line dogs have, where their working ability is getting watered down by breeding for show traits.

    The one guy who's house we train at has 2 Bouvs, and they are hard, hard dogs from European lines. Especially the male, I think he'd bite you just for the sake of doing it. The female is more approachable but they are both highly defensive and territorial dogs.

    Another new guy has a Bouv pup from European lines who is about 5-6 months old now. He's a fun ball of fluff right now, but they are slow to mature (especially males) and he's way behind the GSD who is the same age in how they are being trained. They say that around 10 months old, it'll be like a switch is flipped on with him.

    The Bouvs have very soft fur.

    Here's a couple pics of them:
    Bear, the female
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    Rock, the male
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    Who would try and test this guy? Not me!
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    The Bouv is suffering also from a lot of bad breeding, and where the BRT may be losing some of it's original working abilities and drives, the bouv is losing his courage ~ there are way too many bouvs out there with unstable temperaments. That's the reason I don't own one ~ I'm not sufficiently knowlegable about the breeds to know where to find a good one.
     
  5. BRTLover

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    You could not be any more correct with this statement! Very few people work their BRT's anymore as they were intended to be worked.
    I have two here; mind you both pups but Krosha is soft; gentle; show dog; where as Cracker is totally different {more russian lines in her} hard, a firecracker, stubborn, mouthy!

    I do not know much about the Bouvier so I will not pretend too!

    However the Black Russian Terrier's main contributor to their creation was the Airedale and Giant Schnauzer! {now if only I could spell} The rottweiler was also very important in creating the BRT!



     
  6. BRTLover

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    BLAKC RUSSIAN TERRIER according to the FCI who considers this a working breed which was it's intent!

     
  7. BRTLover

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    Excellent link with information and probably this lady is the most influential breeder in North America. She use to train working BRTs in Russian before coming to Canada.

    http://www.black-russian-terrier.ca/about_breed.htm

    Also information here

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Russian_Terrier

    My breeders who I co own my two with's website which is packed with information and links to more information. Also a very very friendly knowledgeable person so she would be happy to answer any questions.

    http://www.izteremka.com/
     
  8. BRTLover

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    I have heard this but personally do not know and therefore did not want to speak out of turn!

    Actually what has happened to the BRTs might be compared to what has taken place with the german shepherds and rottweilers
    Going more for the show and losing the working!

    My breeder is hoping to slowly bring some working ability back into the BRTs!
     
  9. BRTLover

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    BRT's must be brushed several times a week in order to prevent their coats from matting up. They are a high maintenance dog when it comes to care. They require baths much more often then a normal dog as well!

    BRT's are very slow to mature both mentally and physically. Often they do not achieve their full potential and full working abilities until the age of three and often after that!

    They are extremely intelligent, easily trained, easily bored and a stubborn streak a mile long.

    BRT's do not work for food, toys, and as such many often have a tough time with training. They work much differently then the average working breed.
    They work for the sheer joy and love of pleasing the handler. Some people suggest they are difficult to train because of this; however the reason for difficulty is because the dog must bond to the handler.

    PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR TAKING OVER THIS THREAD. I JUST LOVE THE BRT THOUGH AND ENJOY SHARING MY VERY LIMITED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THEM!
     
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    not at all a problem. i enjoy learning about them.
     
  11. DanL

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    If you are interested I can find out some names for you, so you can research the breeders.
     
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    Dan, thanks! I am absolutely interested. Although I can't get one until Nyx is a little older, I can start researching breeders now.
     

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