Designer Dogs

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  1. nedim

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    Designer Dogs-Not as bad as we once thought? (Found on www.dogbreedinfo.com)



    Designer Dog?? What the heck is a designer dog you ask?? A "designer" dog (as the media has labeled them) is a cross between two pure bred dogs. A pure bred dog is one that has been bred over many generations to breed true. Meaning each puppy that is born looks and has the same temperament and characteristics as one another. In most cases a standard is written and breeders must follow this written standard. Only dogs which make the written standard are to be bred. Pure bred dogs are beneficial in that, when you buy a pure bred dog you know what you are getting. You know how big your puppy will grow and you know basically what type of temperament and care the dog will need. You know the dogs limits, whether it is capable of agility, hunting, search and rescue, police work, herding, flock guardian, or just simply a companion dog. You have a pretty good idea if the dog will be good with your kids, you know if they will have a tendency to wander or if they will stick close to home. You have a pretty good idea if they will like strangers, or if they will fear them. When one breeds pure bred dogs great care must be taken to insure the lines to not become too thin. Even with all the best DNA testing available, genetic problems can occur, however with the proper testing these problems can be greatly reduced. To give you a simple analogy, let's say there was a law passed that stated only people with blonde hair and blue eyes with a high IQ could have children, with the end goal, everyone in the USA to be smart with blonde hair and blue eyes. If this were to happen, as you can imagine, our gene pool would eventually become thin, and many genetic problems would occur. This is why it is very important to ask breeders breeding pure bred dogs what types of genetic testing they perform.






    So what's up with these hybrid, "designer" dogs? Are they healthier? Hybrid dogs can still have genetic problems because you are still crossing two first generation dogs, however the percentage of hybrid dogs with genetic problems is much lower than pure bred dogs because the gene pool is mixed. Unlike pure bred dogs, when you adopt a hybrid, you do not know exactly what the temperament, size of the dog, or exact look of the dog will be. When you breed two pure bred dogs together you can get any combination of any of the characteristics found in either breed. If you are stuck on a hybrid dog how do you know which one to choose? Read the temperament and care for both breeds in the cross and be prepared for any combination of the two. If everything about both breeds matches you and your families personality and lifestyle, than you can most likely assume this cross will work for you. If there is ANYTHING about either breed in the cross that you do not feel matches what you are looking for, avoid that cross. Do not assume or take the chance that only the good characteristics will emerge. You may be in for a big surprise and it is not fair to the puppy to chance that.

    Dogs are not to be disposed of like old toasters when they do not perform as you wish. They are living creatures. Cross a Labrador with a Poodle (Labradoodle) and you may or may not get a dog that sheds. Most experienced breeders can give you a pretty good idea what characteristics in a pup will emerge as the puppy grows. For example, in the Labradoodle, some breeders are able to tell which coat the pup will have, the Poodle or the Labrador, but still, this cannot be guaranteed. Sometimes it is harder to tell what type of temperament the pup will take on, as some characteristics do not appear until the pup is older, past adopting age.








    Whether or not you choose a pure bred dog or a "designer" hybrid mix, do your homework and research, research, research. Remember, adopting a dog should be a life long commitment and not something that should be taken lightly. Before you adopt a dog ask yourself, Are You Ready for a Dog?
     
  2. AmberDaze

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    Thanks!
    Good article.

    ~Amber
     
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    Thanks Nedim - personally though, I have a really hard time taking someone who calls a mixed breed dog 'hybrid' seriously.
     
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    If it performs some function better then any other breed that is currently existing, then Im all for designing dogs. Most dogs alive today are designer dogs...


    Now mixing just because its cool ala ****-poo's and such... thats just stupid.
     
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    agreed
     
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    I have no problem with a mixed breed as long as it's not a BYB wanting mega bucks for them. Go to your HMS or rescue and you'll find plenty. As far as experimenting for the best of both breeds, fine ... if it's again done for the right reason, you'll never find these advertised . Reasearch is one thing ... BYB as " designer dogs " is something else.
     
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    I've seen this said a lot here, and I must admit to ignorance. What is the difference between a hybrid and a mixed-breed? The only hybrids I know of are flat-bar road bikes...lol :p
     
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    Hybrid is when two species are mixed. Like lion/tiger etc.
     
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    Interesting article. I don't understand the hybrid thing, though. I would consider a wolf/dog mix a hybrid, but not two domestic dogs of different breeds. >_<
    I agree. But honestly, the people responsibly "designing" new breeds for WORKING purposes most likely account for .5% of all intentional breeding of mixes.

    I personally don't see a whole lot of need for new breeds, as there already are so many out there that serve their purpose wonderfully. I don't understand why people wouldn't want to work on improving these current breeds instead of trying to make new ones.
     
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    im very straight forward when it comes to "designer dogs" i think they are stupid..and i think the selfish money hungry people who breed them are just as stupid...labradoodles and schnoodles are just a ridiculas fad..once these dogs ware out their "coolness" there are going to be tons of them in sheltars everywhere..if you want a mutt go to the pound and SAVE one..there are millions of mixed breeds dogs in sheltars every where being killed each day...why the hell would you breed them..money..people are selfish and money hungry.ridicuals if you want a hypoallergenic dog frekin go get a coton de tulear, bedlington or schnauzer..as for "wanting to create a new breed"..there are well over 300 breeds of dogs..we dont need anymore!
     
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    I think alot of people are breeding these dogs just to get the best of two breeds, but its true you never know what you are going to get, but if you do like both breeds you shouldnt be dissappointed. I think it is getting a big out of hand though I can agree with you on that. I have always had purebred poodles all my life, had my first one at twelve years old, Madeline was my first cross breed, must say though I love her and she is so smart, she is a maltipoo, but very maltese like way more than poodle, I didnt really care when I got her, but now I just love the maltese breed and that will be my next dog when the time is right.

    Some of these dogs are getting outragously expensive and I know alot of people are just doing it for the latest craze and the money. I wasnt really aware of these things before I got Madeline and started coming on the internet to dog forums seeking information on puppy rearing. Thats the trouble I dont think a majority of people really realize what is going on, they just want a cute little puppy, they go to a store or answer an ad and find all these cute little cross breed dogs, they just fall in love.
     
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    Exactly Madaline. It's true that mixes are cute too, and in the end when people want a puppy they will often pay whatever is required for one they really like. I can understand that, I mean I've done it in the past also. The problem is that most people just don't know that by doing this they just encourage those breeders to breed more, and often at the cost of the puppies (and mother) health down the road.

    We must realize though that if those breeders didn't breed those mixes they would probably just breed purebreds instead, like so many other BYBs do. They just do whatever is easier to sell I suppose, and oodles often are easy to sell because they can claim that they are hypoallergenic, even when it's not always the case. But after that, it's the same as other purebreds BYBs. Which is why it's important to educate, and why people really get it wrong when they focus their issues on the dogs themselves - the problem really is the breeders, not the dogs.
     
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    I agree with you 100%
    I dont think its right, personally.
    All they are breeding are $600 mutts, dont get me wrong i love mutts and own one myself but to PURPOSELY breed one, i just dont get it.
     
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    I agree that they are charging way too much for these dogs, but have no real issues with the concept in general.
     
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    It comes down to "supply and demand" .... like everything else in this world. It's something we all need to get use to.
     
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    At the expence of many dogs lives?


    There is murder. Maybe we should just get used to that to. After all it's a part of our society just like supply and demand
     
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    Actually I don't think it's supply and demand... Anyone can take two dogs and breed them, it's not like it's a limited supply or something... To totally counter the argument though, look how many of those mixes are in shelters, there's definitely no lack of 'supply'.
     
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    I understand it's wrong. BUT - As long as there is a demand for designer breeds, the BYB will continue to breed them.


    It is a part of society... and I'm sure you see or hear it everyday. You're use to it already, whether you believe it or not.

    And YES it does have to do with supply and demand. As long as the BYB are able to sell them, they will continue to supply them...... they can care-less what happens to the dog after they receive their cash.... and this is something that sucks for the rest of us.
     
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    Yeah I agree with that obviously, I just don't think the 'supply' part is true. Unfortunately there is definitely demand for it... people just don't realize that there isn't any limited supply that would justify charging $800 or more for them.
     

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