Dad shoots laptop because of FB post

[Dekka]

IDK, DH heard it Thursday on the radio. A very popular talk radio show on a very popular talk radio station in Chicago played the entire audio of it in their "Top 5 at 5" during drive time...

Yes people could talk about it, but they wouldn't be seeing it. Seeing it fuels the discussion which creates more interest in seeing it and it continues.

If he had taken it down early this would be a non issue, heck if he took it down today it would die off pretty quick.

I think he is enjoying the attention to be honest.

 

[NicoleLJ]

Yes people could talk about it, but they wouldn't be seeing it. Seeing it fuels the discussion which creates more interest in seeing it and it continues.

If he had taken it down early this would be a non issue, heck if he took it down today it would die off pretty quick.

I think he is enjoying the attention to be honest.

That is a really big assuption. If that was the case then he would accept the requests to be on talk shows that he has had, or be on the radio or so on. I think it was a lesson he was trying to teach his daughter, just as he said it was easier to upload to u-tube then to face book. I upload things to photobucket before putting them on facebook because it is easier as well. I don't think he knew it was going to go viral. And even then I think it is a good lesson for other kids to learn from. So I don't see the need for him to take it down.

 

[sillysally]

Yes people could talk about it, but they wouldn't be seeing it. Seeing it fuels the discussion which creates more interest in seeing it and it continues.

The audio I believe is still on their site, they have pod casts on their shows, there is record of it because their show is also televised. My point is, once it's out there, it's out there. This again is a good take home lesson about putting stuff of the internet--lol.

 

[Greenmagick]

Did anyone read his later post? He was raised the same way - humiliate someone in public, pay the price in public..

Yep, and he also mentions he was on his own and out of the house at 15...so dont think it worked as well as he thinks.

Teens are reselient and kids naturally love their parents regardless of all the crap they do. Often, the "worse" the parents almost more fervent the children are later in life defending their parents actions.

I dont know anything about the relationship between these two. My assumption based on the video is that there is a severe lack of respect and communication...but I KNOW that is a total assumption and I fervently hope its wrong.

The video itself does not bother me near as much as all the people thinking its a GOOD example of how to parent. That is what hurts and devastates me. The father is acting like the immature brat he is ranting about. Is it a human failing to react...yep. I have often said and down things I later look back at and cringe...nobody is perfect and parenting is fraught with mistakes. HOwever, I do not understand how this total parenting mistake (IMO) is being hailed as some kind of parenting battle cry. That is what bothers me.

 

[sillysally]

Yep, and he also mentions he was on his own and out of the house at 15...so dont think it worked as well as he thinks.

Teens are reselient and kids naturally love their parents regardless of all the crap they do. Often, the "worse" the parents almost more fervent the children are later in life defending their parents actions.

I dont know anything about the relationship between these two. My assumption based on the video is that there is a severe lack of respect and communication...but I KNOW that is a total assumption and I fervently hope its wrong.

The video itself does not bother me near as much as all the people thinking its a GOOD example of how to parent. That is what hurts and devastates me. The father is acting like the immature brat he is ranting about. Is it a human failing to react...yep. I have often said and down things I later look back at and cringe...nobody is perfect and parenting is fraught with mistakes. HOwever, I do not understand how this total parenting mistake (IMO) is being hailed as some kind of parenting battle cry. That is what bothers me.

I think the reaction is due to people being fed up with wishy-washy, make endless excuses, be your kids best friend, be the cool parent, give your kids whatever they want, let them do whatever they wish on the internet without consequences (even though there will be in the real world), let your kids express themselves freely (which is not bad in itself) even if that means allowing them to run around a restaurant screaming and disturbing everyone else style of parenting that seems to be so popular. Pendulium swinging and all that.

I'm more disturbed by people wishing violence on the guy for shooting a laptop....

 

[yoko]

I think the reaction is due to people being fed up with wishy-washy, make endless excuses, be your kids best friend, be the cool parent, give your kids whatever they want, let them do whatever they wish on the internet without consequences (even though there will be in the real world), let your kids express themselves freely (which is not bad in itself) even if that means allowing them to run around a restaurant screaming and disturbing everyone else style of parenting that seems to be so popular. Pendulium swinging and all that.

I'm more disturbed by people wishing violence on the guy for shooting a laptop....

:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:

 

[NicoleLJ]

I think the reaction is due to people being fed up with wishy-washy, make endless excuses, be your kids best friend, be the cool parent, give your kids whatever they want, let them do whatever they wish on the internet without consequences (even though there will be in the real world), let your kids express themselves freely (which is not bad in itself) even if that means allowing them to run around a restaurant screaming and disturbing everyone else style of parenting that seems to be so popular. Pendulium swinging and all that.

I'm more disturbed by people wishing violence on the guy for shooting a laptop....

I will second that :hail::hail::hail::hail:

 

[Greenmagick]

I think the reaction is due to people being fed up with wishy-washy, make endless excuses, be your kids best friend, be the cool parent, give your kids whatever they want, let them do whatever they wish on the internet without consequences (even though there will be in the real world), let your kids express themselves freely (which is not bad in itself) even if that means allowing them to run around a restaurant screaming and disturbing everyone else style of parenting that seems to be so popular. Pendulium swinging and all that.

I hear about this all the time but honestly, I have met very few of this type of parenting. I think it is often assumed parents are like that when they see the kids at a bratty moment (which happens to us all).

 

[Doberluv]

I think the reaction is due to people being fed up with wishy-washy, make endless excuses, be your kids best friend, be the cool parent, give your kids whatever they want, let them do whatever they wish on the internet without consequences (even though there will be in the real world), let your kids express themselves freely (which is not bad in itself) even if that means allowing them to run around a restaurant screaming and disturbing everyone else style of parenting that seems to be so popular. Pendulium swinging and all that.

I'm more disturbed by people wishing violence on the guy for shooting a laptop....

That's not good parenting either. Too bad the pendulum can't stop swinging wildly and rest somewhere in the middle with a little more common sense parenting; Consequences, reinforcement, alternatives, distractions and lots of love, little in life is free, in other words....earning the goodies, calmness and maturity.

It's the same thing a lot of people say about positive reinforcement training with dogs. "That is just being lenient." Same mistake. It doesn't have to be lenient. It shouldn't be lenient. But it should make good behavioral sense, which this didn't.

 

[sparks19]

Well according to the family the daughter is alright and their family is in tact.

Good parenting or bad parenting aside... She obviously has parents who love her. A little embarassment isn't the end of the world.

When i was a kid and we actually hung out with ours friends in person at our homes.... My friends and i were often embarassed when we acted up in front of our friends and our parents gave us heck in front of our friends. No one wanted to get in trouble in front of their friends... It was embarassing but imagine that we all survived and grew up to be relatively normal functioning members of society and some people even still love their parents after it

No not the best moment of parenting ever but its really not THAT bad. My goodness

 

[sillysally]

I think the reaction is due to people being fed up with wishy-washy, make endless excuses, be your kids best friend, be the cool parent, give your kids whatever they want, let them do whatever they wish on the internet without consequences (even though there will be in the real world), let your kids express themselves freely (which is not bad in itself) even if that means allowing them to run around a restaurant screaming and disturbing everyone else style of parenting that seems to be so popular. Pendulium swinging and all that.

I hear about this all the time but honestly, I have met very few of this type of parenting. I think it is often assumed parents are like that when they see the kids at a bratty moment (which happens to us all).

Well, I see it, and have seen it in my own family and friends. I have family in education who encounter it frequently too. When you let your toddler scream for 10+ minutes at a time in a restaurant repeatedly without even an attempt to remove them, let them run throughout a dining area harassing other diners without an attempt to rein them in, let them run around a horse barn, putting themselves and others at risk when the child (and you) have been repeatedly asked politely, then finally told not-so-politely to get control of them, you are either a very permissive or very lazy parent.

 

[Doberluv]

Well according to the family the daughter is alright and their family is in tact.

Good parenting or bad parenting aside... She obviously has parents who love her. A little embarassment isn't the end of the world.

When i was a kid and we actually hung out with ours friends in person at our homes.... My friends and i were often embarassed when we acted up in front of our friends and our parents gave us heck in front of our friends. No one wanted to get in trouble in front of their friends... It was embarassing but imagine that we all survived and grew up to be relatively normal functioning members of society and some people even still love their parents after it

No not the best moment of parenting ever but its really not THAT bad. My goodness

So true. Good point. But let's hope more situations will be set up to encourage more effective communication and not stop it. That's when real trouble can set in.

 

[Tahla9999]

This could have been her in the future.

And lets not forget that they had grounded her and talk about this with her in the past and she still did the same thing. A lot of people say talking it out is the best option, and while that is sometimes true, other options should not be dismiss. Sometimes action speaks louder than words. This is an example of "tough love" and sometimes, it takes things being done to them that they have done to others before they really get it.

 

[NicoleLJ]

This could have been her in the future.

And lets not forget that they had grounded her and talk about this with her in the past and she still did the same thing. A lot of people say talking it out is the best option, and while that is sometimes true, other options should not be dismiss. Sometimes action speaks louder than words. This is an example of "tough love" and sometimes, it takes things being done to them that they have done to others before they really get it.

Exactly what I was trying to get across. Good post

 

[Jules]

I have come to the conclusion from reading YouTube comments (not just on this but lots of clips) that there are a lot of psychos out there that watch YouTube. I can have fairly dark thoughts sometimes, but I would be horrified if I even *thought* what some of these people write, much less post it publicly!
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I also don't see shooting something as inherently violent (and this is coming from someone who does not own a gun), but then again I grew up in an area where people routinely shoot inanimate objects for fun, so maybe it's a cultural thing...

I don't have a problem with shooting inanimate objects... But it's not like he took her out back to shoot some bean cans in a friendly competition. Putting together an obvious angry father with a gun to make a point just doesn't sit right with me.

He said something about a stepmom. I wonder how much that might have to do with it. Anyway, he sure presented himself in a wonderful way. Love the cigarette, too. Real rolemodel material there. And then you wonder.

 

[Greenmagick]

This could have been her in the future.

And lets not forget that they had grounded her and talk about this with her in the past and she still did the same thing. A lot of people say talking it out is the best option, and while that is sometimes true, other options should not be dismiss. Sometimes action speaks louder than words. This is an example of "tough love" and sometimes, it takes things being done to them that they have done to others before they really get it.

It couldve been...still could be as obviously the father still reacts publically.

MY point is not that what the daughter did should not have repurcussions. Its that reacting in the same childish manner is ridiculous.

 

[Danefied]

Yep, and he also mentions he was on his own and out of the house at 15...so dont think it worked as well as he thinks.

Teens are reselient and kids naturally love their parents regardless of all the crap they do. Often, the "worse" the parents almost more fervent the children are later in life defending their parents actions.

I dont know anything about the relationship between these two. My assumption based on the video is that there is a severe lack of respect and communication...but I KNOW that is a total assumption and I fervently hope its wrong.

The video itself does not bother me near as much as all the people thinking its a GOOD example of how to parent. That is what hurts and devastates me. The father is acting like the immature brat he is ranting about. Is it a human failing to react...yep. I have often said and down things I later look back at and cringe...nobody is perfect and parenting is fraught with mistakes. HOwever, I do not understand how this total parenting mistake (IMO) is being hailed as some kind of parenting battle cry. That is what bothers me.

:hail::hail::hail:
Not judging the dad, we've all been there. Just saying IMO he didn't handle that one very well.

That's not good parenting either. Too bad the pendulum can't stop swinging wildly and rest somewhere in the middle with a little more common sense parenting; Consequences, reinforcement, alternatives, distractions and lots of love, little in life is free, in other words....earning the goodies, calmness and maturity.

It's the same thing a lot of people say about positive reinforcement training with dogs. "That is just being lenient." Same mistake. It doesn't have to be lenient. It shouldn't be lenient. But it should make good behavioral sense, which this didn't.

:hail::hail::hail: to you too

Reactivity is reactivity, and here I see a parent reacting to a kid's behavior, not proactively parenting the kid.

Do I totally get why he responded the way he did? Oh yeah, BTDT as far as feeling that way about a child's actions. However when we re-act to a child's behavior, who's really in charge of what's going on?

Same as with punishment with dogs, you never quite know for sure what association the kid is going to make. I know way too many kids who would take an incident like this and instead of learning "oh, better not humiliate mom and dad" will learn "to gain attention humiliate the one you love".

 

[Paige]

Well, I see it, and have seen it in my own family and friends. I have family in education who encounter it frequently too. When you let your toddler scream for 10+ minutes at a time in a restaurant repeatedly without even an attempt to remove them, let them run throughout a dining area harassing other diners without an attempt to rein them in, let them run around a horse barn, putting themselves and others at risk when the child (and you) have been repeatedly asked politely, then finally told not-so-politely to get control of them, you are either a very permissive or very lazy parent.

This is a big reason why I still wear Briggs. He is non verbal at his age but gets frustrated and throws tantrums. He does not understand me speaking to him telling him "Briggs, if you don't calm down we are going to have to leave" and lets face it. Sometimes despite his tantrum I DO need to continue what we are doing. I can't just leave the grocery store when we need food. Calms him down, he isn't being disruptive and it makes everyone happy.

 

[Danefied]

This is a big reason why I still wear Briggs. He is non verbal at his age but gets frustrated and throws tantrums. He does not understand me speaking to him telling him "Briggs, if you don't calm down we are going to have to leave" and lets face it. Sometimes despite his tantrum I DO need to continue what we are doing. I can't just leave the grocery store when we need food. Calms him down, he isn't being disruptive and it makes everyone happy.

Don't you know you're spoiling that child picking him up like that all the time?

Mom was in the wilds of central america when my sis and I were babies. Poor mom was so conflicted, the locals told her to never let us cry, nurse on demand, and to carry us around in a sling. Meanwhile her mom and MIL were telling her that if we were dry and fed to ignore us if we cried, and that we'd never learn to walk if she carried us around so much. Funnily, the native kids seemed to learn how to walk just fine - so did we

 

[cloudcandy]

Briggs is cute!I'd carry him round all day with that smile!